Anonymous
03/01/2012 08:55
Subject: Re:Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Anonymous wrote:14:49, please clarify for me - do you think communion should only be denied when someone's sin is "obvious?"
14:49 here. I don't have an opinion as to who should be denied Communion- in fact, I probably would be denied it most of the time myself. I just meant that it was a weak comparison to try to make b/c a priest doesn't know who is using birth control unless that person announces it, which most people do not, at least not at Mass, and who knows, that priest who denied the lesbian Communion very well might have denied me Communion if I told him I hadn't been to confession in a long, long time. The difference is, that priest knew the woman was a lesbian b/c she said so whereas he presumably does not know which of his parishioners uses birth control. Not an apples to apples comparison- that was my point, not debating whether the priest was wrong to deny her Communion (I already said I think he was).
Anonymous
03/01/2012 08:44
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many is that? Seriously your parish has say 300 families and you are saying you have 50 or 75 with 8 kids? Or more like five?Anonymous wrote:Catholic. We don't use BC
Given the many, many large families (8+ kids) in my parish, I find the "98% use bc" statistic written here hard to believe...
I don't have access to parish records--so I can't answer specifically how many. I just know what I see in the pews on Sunday.
What you see is a handful. That is not indicative of what the parish as a whole is doing. You don't need parish records to realize that every family is not the Duggars.
I understand it is difficult for you to believe, but many Catholics accept this teaching. At my Catholic parish (not in DC metro area) I don't know a single family who uses contraception. Yes, we talk openly about this issue and yes there are hundreds of families. Some of us have no children at all, others have just one or two, and others have many children. Those with Duggar-sized families are really quite rare (in fact, I don't know a single family that large) because the Catholic Church does not say you must have as many children as physically possible; instead it asks that you prayerfully consider your ability to be open to new life, and in those times you are not able to be, you are to use natural means to avoid pregnancy. Avoiding the use of artificial contraception is really not that complicated or difficult, and definitely does not always result in a large family - in fact, for many families it will result in 3-6 children. When I lived in DC, I knew for a fact that about half the parish agreed on this issue and did not use any contraception. Again, family sizes varied because things like infertility, getting married late in life, illness and spousal separation affect Catholics, too. Oh, the other thing I tend to see is many adopted children. Those Catholics who are respectful of the Church's teachings on contraception also tend to be respectful about the teachings on ART, so they are more likely to adopt when faced with infertility. Just my observations.
I have been Catholic all my life . I grew up in one of the most Catholic cities in America. If you that none of these families are using birth control, you are sitting too close to the votive candles.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 08:40
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
I was a Catholic using birth control until I got married...at which point I could not in good conscience continue being Catholic. I was not about to base my marriage...something I hold sacred, on a bedrock of lies about my intentions. Buy bye. Had a lovely ceremony overlooking the ocean, performed by an ex-Catholic priest.
Anonymous
03/01/2012 08:37
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many is that? Seriously your parish has say 300 families and you are saying you have 50 or 75 with 8 kids? Or more like five?Anonymous wrote:Catholic. We don't use BC
Given the many, many large families (8+ kids) in my parish, I find the "98% use bc" statistic written here hard to believe...
I don't have access to parish records--so I can't answer specifically how many. I just know what I see in the pews on Sunday.
What you see is a handful. That is not indicative of what the parish as a whole is doing. You don't need parish records to realize that every family is not the Duggars.
I understand it is difficult for you to believe, but many Catholics accept this teaching. At my Catholic parish (not in DC metro area) I don't know a single family who uses contraception. Yes, we talk openly about this issue and yes there are hundreds of families. Some of us have no children at all, others have just one or two, and others have many children. Those with Duggar-sized families are really quite rare (in fact, I don't know a single family that large) because the Catholic Church does not say you must have as many children as physically possible; instead it asks that you prayerfully consider your ability to be open to new life, and in those times you are not able to be, you are to use natural means to avoid pregnancy. Avoiding the use of artificial contraception is really not that complicated or difficult, and definitely does not always result in a large family - in fact, for many families it will result in 3-6 children. When I lived in DC, I knew for a fact that about half the parish agreed on this issue and did not use any contraception. Again, family sizes varied because things like infertility, getting married late in life, illness and spousal separation affect Catholics, too. Oh, the other thing I tend to see is many adopted children. Those Catholics who are respectful of the Church's teachings on contraception also tend to be respectful about the teachings on ART, so they are more likely to adopt when faced with infertility. Just my observations.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 22:45
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
The pope made a mistake when he condemned birth control
It is not mentioned in the bible. Jesus never said anything about it.
But he did constantly warn his followers about corrupt priests
Sorry, but in our time it is the right thing to do, using birth control that is.
It is not mentioned in the bible. Jesus never said anything about it.
But he did constantly warn his followers about corrupt priests
Sorry, but in our time it is the right thing to do, using birth control that is.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 22:36
Subject: Re:Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
14:49, please clarify for me - do you think communion should only be denied when someone's sin is "obvious?"
Anonymous
02/29/2012 22:23
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many is that? Seriously your parish has say 300 families and you are saying you have 50 or 75 with 8 kids? Or more like five?Anonymous wrote:Catholic. We don't use BC
Given the many, many large families (8+ kids) in my parish, I find the "98% use bc" statistic written here hard to believe...
I don't have access to parish records--so I can't answer specifically how many. I just know what I see in the pews on Sunday.
What you see is a handful. That is not indicative of what the parish as a whole is doing. You don't need parish records to realize that every family is not the Duggars.
No, I see more than a handful. The Duggars are not Catholic.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 21:53
Subject: Re:Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Anonymous wrote:My problem is the obsession with certain sins but the acceptance or others. Why name one and not the others. Here they are...
St. Paul gives us a list of grave sins. He states that anyone who commits these sins shall not enter the kingdom of God. "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (Galatians 5:19-20).
The Church also tells us that the sins of anger, blasphemy, envy, hatred, malice, murder, neglect of Sunday obligation, sins against faith (incredulity against God or heresy), sins against hope (obstinate despair in the hope for salvation and/or presumption that oneself can live without God or be saved by one’s own power) and sins against love (indifference towards charity, ingratitude, and/or hatred of God) also constitute grave matter. This list of grave sins, is based on Jesus Christ’s interpretation of the gravity of the Ten Commandments. Grave sins can be classed as sins against God, neighbor and self, and can further be divided into carnal and spiritual sins (CCC 1853).
I can go on forever.
Enough with homosexuality, birth control, divorce and abortion. The obsession with these subjects are a little creepy.
Such is the life a believer. Why do you go to the doctor or hospital? You should be healed otherwise.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 21:39
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Catholic, using birth control, refrain from communion for many reasons but birth control is not high among them.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 21:26
Subject: Re:Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Anonymous wrote:Unless the Catholic church will finance raising all of the kids I would have by not using birth control, I'll stick to using it.
This. I just can't get worked up over the issue of birth control when the Church was so close to changing its position in the 1960s. I think the position will change eventually and that Church leaders simply do not understand the lived realities of families to think that using contraceptives is evil. It's often a smart, moral decision not to bring more children into the world than you can afford. Having seen other family members who struggled with lots of kids, no thanks!
Anonymous
02/29/2012 20:59
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
A lot of people seem to not count what they did before they were married.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 20:58
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How many is that? Seriously your parish has say 300 families and you are saying you have 50 or 75 with 8 kids? Or more like five?Anonymous wrote:Catholic. We don't use BC
Given the many, many large families (8+ kids) in my parish, I find the "98% use bc" statistic written here hard to believe...
I don't have access to parish records--so I can't answer specifically how many. I just know what I see in the pews on Sunday.
What you see is a handful. That is not indicative of what the parish as a whole is doing. You don't need parish records to realize that every family is not the Duggars.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 20:26
Subject: Re:Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Unless the Catholic church will finance raising all of the kids I would have by not using birth control, I'll stick to using it. It's common sense and I don't really care what my church believes. I believe that I am financially only capable of raising two or three children. I think it would be irresponsible to keep popping them out knowing that I can't afford them.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 20:19
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
The church already said the priest was wrong-- how is that missed by the pp. Give it a rest already!
What the church said is right, these issues are private. I a sinner. I sin everyday. But I also know that God expects me to be a sin. He is forgiving and for that I am grateful. I am. It a perfect Catholic-- not even the Pope is because we are all human. I am on with that. I believe God is very ok with that so it really doesn't matter what you think or what the person next to me at Mass thinks.
What the church said is right, these issues are private. I a sinner. I sin everyday. But I also know that God expects me to be a sin. He is forgiving and for that I am grateful. I am. It a perfect Catholic-- not even the Pope is because we are all human. I am on with that. I believe God is very ok with that so it really doesn't matter what you think or what the person next to me at Mass thinks.
Anonymous
02/29/2012 20:14
Subject: Are you a Catholic who uses borth control?
Anonymous wrote:How many is that? Seriously your parish has say 300 families and you are saying you have 50 or 75 with 8 kids? Or more like five?Anonymous wrote:Catholic. We don't use BC
Given the many, many large families (8+ kids) in my parish, I find the "98% use bc" statistic written here hard to believe...
I don't have access to parish records--so I can't answer specifically how many. I just know what I see in the pews on Sunday.