takoma
Post 02/16/2012 11:36     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Concerning the confusion about the amendment, I think the problem is the phrase "pass by", which I understand to mean "table", i.e. not consider. Using the word "pass" certainly invites confusion when in fact the vote defeated the amendment.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2012 11:15     Subject: Re:VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:This bill apparently passed the VA House. It has had first, second, and third readings. I don't know how many readings are required in Virginia, but I can't imagine it's more than three. So, the bill probably goes to the Senate now. A good source for the legislative status is here:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+sum+HB1

The bill was amended to make clear that birth control is still permitted. But, it is still a very draconian bill.



I'm confused - I thought the amendment was defeated?


Click on the link. There was a substitute bill that was defeated, but the amendment passed:

02/13/12 House: Motion to pass by Amendment by Delegate Watts agreed to (64-Y 34-N)

On the page listing amendments (of which there is only one listed), it says this:

(HB1)
AMENDMENT(S) PROPOSED BY THE HOUSE

DEL. WATTS [Passed by]

1. After line 26, introduced

insert

§ 8. Nothing in this section shall be interpreted as affecting lawful contraception.

Emphasis added by me.




Thanks Jeff. I looked at that before I posted and saw the amendment - but for the life of me I can't find a mention anywhere in the press about the amendment passing. Contrarily, all I can find are references such as this one - saying a contraception amendment was not considered:

"Del. Vivian Watts, D-Fairfax, proposed an amendment declaring that nothing in the bill would be construed to affect legal contraception. She said many forms of birth control work by preventing the implantation of a fertilized egg, so those types of contraception could run afoul of Marshall's bill.

The House voted 64-34 to not consider Watts' amendment."

That's why I'm confused. I just want to be sure I understand.
jsteele
Post 02/16/2012 11:00     Subject: Re:VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:This bill apparently passed the VA House. It has had first, second, and third readings. I don't know how many readings are required in Virginia, but I can't imagine it's more than three. So, the bill probably goes to the Senate now. A good source for the legislative status is here:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+sum+HB1

The bill was amended to make clear that birth control is still permitted. But, it is still a very draconian bill.



I'm confused - I thought the amendment was defeated?


Click on the link. There was a substitute bill that was defeated, but the amendment passed:

02/13/12 House: Motion to pass by Amendment by Delegate Watts agreed to (64-Y 34-N)

On the page listing amendments (of which there is only one listed), it says this:

(HB1)
AMENDMENT(S) PROPOSED BY THE HOUSE

DEL. WATTS [Passed by]

1. After line 26, introduced

insert

§ 8. Nothing in this section shall be interpreted as affecting lawful contraception.

Emphasis added by me.


Anonymous
Post 02/16/2012 10:58     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
takoma wrote:This idea was put on the ballot in MISSISSIPPI and 55% voted against it. Is the VA legislature more extreme than the people of MS?


Wow, hating on Mississippi are you? When you all are compaing a fetus to pancake batter?
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2012 10:51     Subject: Re:VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
jsteele wrote:This bill apparently passed the VA House. It has had first, second, and third readings. I don't know how many readings are required in Virginia, but I can't imagine it's more than three. So, the bill probably goes to the Senate now. A good source for the legislative status is here:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+sum+HB1

The bill was amended to make clear that birth control is still permitted. But, it is still a very draconian bill.



I'm confused - I thought the amendment was defeated?
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2012 10:34     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:How will this affect the HOV rules? Can I drive on 66 at rush hour by myself if I'm pregnant?


You just made me laugh out loud. I *heart* you!
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2012 09:06     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:Please everyone take a big deep breath and think. Think on this. Contraceptives should still be able to be used because it prevents an egg from being fertilized or an egg now zygote from being implanted to grow into a human being. If a sperm enters an egg it is called a zygote -- and NEEDS TO BE IMPLANTED on the uterus wall (optimally) with the the placenta. Without it life can't continue. The zygote will not divide and develop. I propose that a zygote is not a fetus until it has divided into enough sections and grows a heart. Until then, it is fertilized cell matter with the possibility of becoming a fetus. Without a heart it can't pump the blood of life through- out new organs that develop soon after. Yes it is precious. But even a woman's body can reject a fertilized egg and "abort" it. Now if you have a situation where it is a difficulty for you to be pregnant, need family planning and medical assistance to prevent pregnancy...contraceptives or other things are needed. These are especially needed for people who have medical issues and/or are on medications that would harm a fetus should a woman become pregnant. Do you know how many woman PRAY that a medication that they were taking while unaware that they were pregnant doesn't harm their unborn baby? Or a cancer treatment? Why oh why does my Virginia Congress have such blinders on? Who are they answering to if not the general public? I also believe that it SHOULD NOT BE DECIDED IN THE CONGRESS/SENATE. If they think that their voting public is so in favor of this, put it on a referendum. Not ramrod it through in this manner.


To your first part: no, contraception does not cause abortion - but lots of anti choicers believe it does. So while this ridiculous amendment does not now target contraception, per Jeff's post above, it probably leaves the door open to that later.

We really need to get Bobby McD and that dimwit Cucinelli (or, as I call him, "the Cooch") out of office. They practice terrible governmental overreach, all the way into our uteruses.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2012 16:35     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
While the "personhood" bill is horrible, the state-sanctioned rape bill is even worse (i.e. forced transvaginal ultrasound for women who pursue abortion).
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2012 10:30     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
This bill scares the bejesus out of me! I can only hope it will not pass the senate.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2012 10:27     Subject: Re:VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Will every naturally occuring miscarriage result in a murder investigation? Is the legal drinking/voting age going to be lowered by 40 weeks? Can a woman be charged with child abuse if she eats sushi while pregnant? F-ing hell, Virginia -- please get your shit together.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2012 00:28     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:Oh and if you're going out to eat with your spouse you should make sure to ask the waiter for a table for 3.

Also, if you have sex while pregnant, does the law make you guilty of indecent exposure in front of a minor or some such thing?

If you have a glass of wine before finding out that you're pregnant, are you guilty of serving alcohol to someone under 21?


The waiter will be required to administer a forced ultrasound on you before serving.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2012 21:39     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Oh and if you're going out to eat with your spouse you should make sure to ask the waiter for a table for 3.

Also, if you have sex while pregnant, does the law make you guilty of indecent exposure in front of a minor or some such thing?

If you have a glass of wine before finding out that you're pregnant, are you guilty of serving alcohol to someone under 21?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2012 21:33     Subject: VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Unbelievable.

It's too bad I'm too old and really done having kids, or I would absolutely do the HOV lane thing that the PP mentioned.

In fact I think every pregnant woman who's against this nonsense should drive by herself in the HOV lane during the entire length of her pregnancy and then appeal the ticket.
jsteele
Post 02/14/2012 21:23     Subject: Re:VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
This bill apparently passed the VA House. It has had first, second, and third readings. I don't know how many readings are required in Virginia, but I can't imagine it's more than three. So, the bill probably goes to the Senate now. A good source for the legislative status is here:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?121+sum+HB1

The bill was amended to make clear that birth control is still permitted. But, it is still a very draconian bill.

Anonymous
Post 02/14/2012 20:46     Subject: Re:VA House of Delegates reaches new low - HB 1 "personhood amendment" to be voted on tomorrow
Anonymous wrote:To the angry guy poster: who doesn't love chocolate chip cookie dough? Just saying.
What is your hang up with this poster? She already said she is a woman. And given that gender wasn't especially relevant to the argument she is making, it makes you sound like a man hater.