Here is an article about one of the Apple employee's (former?) boyfriends. About halfway down, it starts describing how he enjoyed taking enough psychedelic drugs to kill a horse, in order to support his art. And yes, I know that has absolutely nothing to do directly with the fact that Jana Svrzo didn't call 911 after hearing a woman's hysterical screams and cries of "God, please help me."


http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/special/tolman081205.html

Anonymous wrote:To the MYOB poster(s): I believe most past MYOB posts do not involve brutal murders. I know that's a wild guess!

you're right. it's mostly child abuse or just regular everyday violence.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to the MYOB policy that is do normal around here?

In criminal cases it only applies when the victim is a poor minority.

OMG! I wish that I could deny this.

To the MYOB poster(s): I believe most past MYOB posts do not involve brutal murders. I know that's a wild guess!

I agree with not demonizing the people who did not help. Certainly, they didn't think to themselves "clearly someone is being murdered, who gives a F?" Being stupid, or just acting stupidly in the moment is not a crime, nor evil. But, I think it is indicative of the fact that, as a society, many of us second-guess ourselves too much when we should take action, and the "better safe than sorry" instinct can be paralyzed when it is most important. I am sure that the Apple store employees are aware they could have saved a life, but they (and we) are only humans and we humans are all deeply flawed. Again, there are many, many reasons to act, and the biggest reason not to act is uncertainty. There should be more awareness, as we bring up our children, to ALWAYS ACT. We talk about how children need to be expressly taught not to be racist, we overthink how much we're praising our children, etc, and while it goes without saying that we should teach our children to watch out for one another, how to intervene safely, etc, it's obviously that something is not working.

I cannot imagine anyone not acting in that situation, as I heard it described to me, and I have to say that I also had a visceral response that was highly unfavorable to those employees, but I wasn't there.

I made the mistake of looking at those photos. The most heartbreaking one was of Jayna's parents going into the court. It makes you contemplate life. At some point, life goes on, the sun comes up and goes down, and you're without your daughter. The dad was carrying a starbucks coffee and I was thinking "at least he still enjoys coffee." I hope the parents find other things in life they can enjoy again, and that somehow, everyone connected to this terrible tragedy can find peace.

Anonymous wrote:What happened to the MYOB policy that is do normal around here?

In criminal cases it only applies when the victim is a poor minority.

What happened to the MYOB policy that is do normal around here?

How old are the employees?

Anonymous wrote:I would have called 911. I am 48 and have called the police many times for much less serious scenarios.

Well done. I think there are probably 28 year olds like you. And 68.

I would have called 911. I am 48 and have called the police many times for much less serious scenarios.

the link to the story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/grunts-screams-came-from-behind-lululemon-wall-apple-store-workers-testify/2011/10/28/gIQArvyaQM_story.html

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine being friends with those to Apple A-holes?
I could never look at them the same.

Could be a problem from top down. Many times managers with poor judgment lead to a similar pervasive culture.

Anonymous wrote:I think people shouldn't demonize those two - I feel very sorry for them. Think what they have to live with now. Who knows what went through their minds, but we weren't there and haven't experienced the same thing. It's very easy to judge. Perhaps it was 'group think' ... if each were on their own they may have reacted more appropriately. There's a lot of psychology to analyze in this situation, and I don't think any of you are qualified to give the conclusion. Yes, we should examine why this happened, but let's not demonize someone else's kids, siblings, friends, etc.

OK - bracing myself for the responses!

ITA.

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Anonymous wrote:14:32, I'm not normally one of "these" commenters but you do realize how unsafe it is to be driving and pushing your son in a stroller with earbuds in, right? You're drowning out noises you NEED to be hearing in those situations.

As far as the Apple employees, I know myself, and I'd have called the cops and possibly even gone over there myself to see what was going on before they got there. There is NO WAY I would have heard that and not done something.

I thought the same thing-- okay, pushing your kid in the stroller I can understand, but DRIVING A CAR with earbuds in? That's nuts, lady. And isn't it illegal??

RE: the Apple store people-- no way in hell I'm going over there if I hear someone screaming and fighting, but call 911? YES! I mean, how hard is that? You don't even have to leave your name.

I'm not listening to music. I'm waiting to take a call. I can hear just fine with them in.

I actually read that the Apple employees did alert the security guards in their store and asked them to investigate. The security guards did nothing though and were actually fired the following day. So the Apple employees weren't completely at fault..in hindsight, they should have been more proactive about following up with the guards. It appears the loser security guards (whose FUCKING job it is to provide security, right?) were the ones who dropped the ball. One apparently had his headphones in.