Anonymous
Post 10/26/2011 05:46     Subject: Re:Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

1:04, you obviously have some issues. If you think a bus ride is a "sick measure of liberalism" your kids are going to have a long 12 years in school. And you can drop the hysteria about the poor 4yos on buses - in MoCo, K starts at 5yo. That reference and others in your post make it clear that you don't actually have kids at RHPS or in the MCPS system... so you're ranting hysterically based on ZERO first-hand experience. Typical, and pathetic.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2011 05:07     Subject: Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

PP, you sound nuts.
Anonymous
Post 10/26/2011 01:04     Subject: Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Several posters have directly or implicitly mentioned the issue is keeping Rosemary Hills as a model of integration. Excuse Me? Why do you have to bus children out of their way from other communities to maintain this "successful model." That's not success by any measure. It's not surprising that this same poster parroted NAACP opinion in the argument to continue with this form of school busing. Here's an update for you - The NAACP does not typically represent any semblance of an impartial form of morality. Their tendency to skew their opinions such that is favors their special interest and more importantly ***ONLY*** THEIR SPECIAL INTEREST. Including the NAACP as a reference in an argument in rational company tends to discredit ones argument. PERIOD.


It was also mentioned by someone that Rosemary Hills is not "halfway across the country." First of all, the correct phrase is "county," but you bring up an interesting point. The ride to RH is almost twice as far for my kids as it is to BE. That's 2.5 miles vs 5 miles, or a TOTAL of 5 miles/day further on a round trip basis. With 180 school days/year that makes for forcing a 4 year old child to ride around nearly 1000 miles on County roads to satisfy some liberals. By what sick measure of liberalism is this considered an acceptable proposition for a child? In fact, nobody's counting, but there are 4 MCPS elementry schools that are less than 3 miles from our home in our city, yet with the current plan, the kids will be bused over well over 5 miles to Silver Spring for "the experiment."


Another person said not to focus on FARMS. I have to wonder if the people that minimize the FARMS point, have actually read the Boundary findings? The FARMS acronym is mentioned OVER TWENTY times in the PDF document. Yes, FARMS is apparently a relevent METRIC that is worthy of discussion. In fact, I suspect one could replace the word farms with minority since, outside the anonymity of this forum and private company, it is less politically correct for liberals to discuss school busing in the context of racial demographics than it is in the context of "Free and Reduced Lunches." It's another typical liberal strategy to deflect the argument to a politically correct issue (FARMS), and then later come in and minimize the importance of even that issue. We are not fooled.


As a former MCPS student (of a broke single parent) who was raised throughout childhood in a "cockroach infested apartment" in Silver Spring, but who attended Ayrlawn Elementry in Bethesda (because his mom worked nearby and it was convenient to the family circumstance), I know too well that there is no shame in being a poor kid amongst the "rich" kids at the k-2 age and that there is precious little to be concerned about in terms of behavior issues and not getting along. At this age, kids are kids, and with few exceptions they get along during K-2 years no matter what. At least that was my k-2 experience. Yes, I even invited my "rich" Bethesda classmates to my cockroach infested apartment complex for Birthday parties and all went well. However, as I now find myself the parent of Bethesda children that will be bused over to Silver Spring in the interest of some outdated social experiment (not because we actually work there as was my mom's excuse), I can't help but take issue with the made-up liberal reality that somehow this makes sense. The bottom line is you force little 4, 5, and 6 year olds to travel several thousand additional miles on county roads over a 3 year period for the sake of this experiment. I find that repulsive.

BTW - has anyone noticed there's a gent walking around in his pajamas talking on the phone in Google Street view for Rosemary Hills Elementry? Is this considered "normal" ?

Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 21:31     Subject: Re:Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:[size=18] Still, though, I'm having a hard time not hearing this as RH parents saying they just don't want any more poor children. These children are not to blame for the fact that their parents were laid off or single parenting or whatever. My child goes to a school with a significantly higher FARMS rate than 22% and I have to say -- unless you are making assumptions about ethnicities -- you can't tell who gets FARMS by looking.


It's not that RH parents don't want any more poor children. The issues are first equity of resources for all the children and second preservation of Rosemary Hills Primary School and its surrounding community as a model of successful integration, both in the school and community. This is probably the only neighborhood that isn't homogenous in the whole BCC cluster. It's successful because the mini-cluster brought up the elementary school and encouraged more families from different races to move in, including whites.

We still have most of the poverty here, and that's okay - currently 19% compared to single digit poverty in the three schools we share the mini-cluster with. We chose to live here because we like the racial and socioeconomic diversity. But the Superintendent's rationale for kicking Paddington kids out of Bethesda Elementary so East Bethesda kids can go there says he favors geography over demographics. If that's his philosophy, similar decisions will follow. When does it stop? The NAACP says that the argument for "neighborhood schools" is an argument for re-segregation. I'm sure a lot of people support segregation, but I'm not one of them and I don't think the majority of families in the BCC cluster are.


NP here. Given the fact that Paddington is literally right across the street from RHPS, I do not myself understand why they should have to ride the bus over to BE. Has anybody asked the Paddington residents what they prefer? No, because we'll all sit here and talk about what they should think and do. Paddington is also a pretty small apartment complex. Are there really that many kids preventing your school from continuing "as a model of successful integration?" Sorry, poster, but I have to call BS on your logic. Not to mention the fact that 19% FARMS is way way WAY under the MCPS average for elem schools. The rate at my kids' school is much higher and everybody seems to do just fine.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 14:47     Subject: Re:Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:[size=18] Still, though, I'm having a hard time not hearing this as RH parents saying they just don't want any more poor children. These children are not to blame for the fact that their parents were laid off or single parenting or whatever. My child goes to a school with a significantly higher FARMS rate than 22% and I have to say -- unless you are making assumptions about ethnicities -- you can't tell who gets FARMS by looking.


It's not that RH parents don't want any more poor children. The issues are first equity of resources for all the children and second preservation of Rosemary Hills Primary School and its surrounding community as a model of successful integration, both in the school and community. This is probably the only neighborhood that isn't homogenous in the whole BCC cluster. It's successful because the mini-cluster brought up the elementary school and encouraged more families from different races to move in, including whites.

We still have most of the poverty here, and that's okay - currently 19% compared to single digit poverty in the three schools we share the mini-cluster with. We chose to live here because we like the racial and socioeconomic diversity. But the Superintendent's rationale for kicking Paddington kids out of Bethesda Elementary so East Bethesda kids can go there says he favors geography over demographics. If that's his philosophy, similar decisions will follow. When does it stop? The NAACP says that the argument for "neighborhood schools" is an argument for re-segregation. I'm sure a lot of people support segregation, but I'm not one of them and I don't think the majority of families in the BCC cluster are.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 14:37     Subject: Re:Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Occupy East Bethesda! ; ) [joke]
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 14:34     Subject: Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Dear 12:03, if a small minority can hijack a public process and manipulate the BOE to get anything done, what you are suggesting will be a piece of cake.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 14:25     Subject: Re:Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Anonymous wrote:If I understand some of these posts correctly, us on the East, are being accused of not embracing the very same FARMS and ESOL students being kicked out of the West as a result of this? How is it then that we end up with a more homogenous East Bethesda, a good social network as quoted previously and manage to cut the rate of Esol or Farms in half in Bethesda? If that section of the cluster does not have issues with FARMS and ESOL, why are they ending up reducing these rates in the entire West of the cluster?


I guess I was the poster you say was accusing. If it helps, my kids go to elementary school in Silver Spring outside of this debate, with a significantly higher FARMS rate than 22% anyway. I do not represent anyone in the West on this. I maintain that we need to get this discussion away from saying that FARMS kids = trouble. It's just not true. It's like you're saying that by accepting these children the schools in the East "lose" and the schools in the West "win." It would seem to me that to go to a school in Bethesda with virtually zero poverty and ethnic diversity is actually a kind of a loss. Good luck successfully negotiating the 21st century if you have never befriended non-wealthy or non-white people.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 12:03     Subject: Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Great, 11:48! You're in charge of identifying all the sites and purchasing the land, or buying current tenants out of their leases. And, go!
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 11:48     Subject: Re:Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

We should all be able to walk to our schools and they should all be k through 5. Who's with me?
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 10:03     Subject: Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are prime candidates for white flight, but I don't think a shift from 19 percent to 22 percent is going to be the tipping point.


But is it fair to add 4% poverty to a high minority school, bringing them up to 22%, while you're simultaneously reducing poverty at a wealthy white school from 6% to 3%? The end game is 3% poverty in one school and 22% poverty in another, nearby school. It moves us in the wrong direction, and it could just be the first step. Why wouldn't all Chevy Chase residents wage a similar fight to go to their closest school (CCES or even Somerset) instead of the RHPS/NCC pairing?

We didn't even discuss the poverty shift at NCC, which will double under Option 5.


Well, we could do, but I don't really care that much. I am very happy with Rosemary Hills. Any problems come from overcrowding rather than the poors. The bus ride is the favorite part of my kids' day. And I dont think a marginal change in enrollment data is going to change anything.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 09:54     Subject: Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

Anonymous wrote:We are prime candidates for white flight, but I don't think a shift from 19 percent to 22 percent is going to be the tipping point.


But is it fair to add 4% poverty to a high minority school, bringing them up to 22%, while you're simultaneously reducing poverty at a wealthy white school from 6% to 3%? The end game is 3% poverty in one school and 22% poverty in another, nearby school. It moves us in the wrong direction, and it could just be the first step. Why wouldn't all Chevy Chase residents wage a similar fight to go to their closest school (CCES or even Somerset) instead of the RHPS/NCC pairing?

We didn't even discuss the poverty shift at NCC, which will double under Option 5.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 09:34     Subject: Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

23:19 - Since you're so opposed to having your children on a bus for several miles, I assume you won't allow them to go to Westland, right? After all, Westland is a couple of miles thru awful traffic for most of us who live in near downtown Bethesda or in CC. Yet surprisingly I never hear hysteria about that burden, which forces middle school kids to wait in the dark to board buses before 7am. The only thing this crowd complains about is the school that just happens to be 10 feet over the line in Silver Spring. Hmm, wonder why?

BTW, RHPS is not "halfway across the country" from East Bethesda. The more that I hear from the East Bethesda crowd, the more I think their departure will be no great loss.
Anonymous
Post 10/25/2011 09:20     Subject: Re:Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

It is a public school system and all those concerned have as much right as anyone else to weigh in. I might had we should all get the same quality of education and not pull the covers one way or another.
Anonymous
Post 10/24/2011 23:19     Subject: Rosemary Hills/Bethesda/CC/NCC Boundry study - Superintendent's Recommendation

I'm absolutely repelled and sickened that people are even considering the perpetuation of these boundaries as an acceptable solution. I figured busing children halfway across counties and schools went away in the 1970s.

I'm disgusted that my fellow neighbors in Montgomery County would even consider "diversity", "socio-economic mixing," and "progressiveness" as an excuse to force my family to send our kids unnecessary multiple miles out further from our home when we have perfectly fine schools down the street.

I have a kid with a severe debilitating learning disability so I know first hand what it's like to be a parent in that situation. THAT SAID, we'll deal with that situation as appropriate. I don't need my kids (both the disabled, and the "typical" ones) getting getting bused across the county in the name of diversity. Absolutely DISGUSTING. You hypocritical liberals become the very thing that you purport to rail against. Spare the parents of disabled children such as my wife and I your so-called charity.