Anonymous wrote:

takoma wrote:Cain shares a problem with Palin and Bachmann. They all think everything is simple and can be solved by their "common sense" approach. I realize there are a few of those reading this who agree, and believe that those in charge are just stupid people who don't see the obvious. Perhaps they're right.

But there is also the alternate hypothesis that the problems are too complex for even smart people to always see the right answers. Or maybe even that there are no right answers.

I am am one who believes that those who think it's all simple believe they know all the answers because their goal is not actually to solve the real problems that face us, but to make decisions that will move the country in the direction they wish to go. Their answers are the "solutions" no matter what the problems are. (For example, Bush tax cuts to solve budget surplus or budget deficit.)

Guess you could call me a moderate Republican voter. Herman Cain may or may not be electable at this time, but he's got a LOT more on the ball than Palin and Bachmann. Very personable, relates to people well, a very good listener who doesn't usually get "rattled"," comes across as anything but flighty, and has been a successful businessman. Doesn't grope for words like Palin and Bachman.

So much for that!


(Colbert endorses Cain)

And while we're at it, so much for that, too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8Ua-LHS3CM&feature=related

Anonymous wrote:I was taught when making an argument that the word "but" negates all previous statements ... http://ezinearticles.com/?SMALL-TALK-TIP---Use-the-Word-And-to-Link-Instead-of-the-Word-But-to-Negate&id=2161234

Sorry I'm late to notice this, but this is plainly wrong.

"She's got a nice rack, but she's dumb as a post."

"I love getting drunk, but I hate the hangover."

"TPer posts are consistently inane, but I often find myself reading them and responding anyway."

jsteele wrote:As along as Cain is a marginal figure, he can be a useful idiot for racists to prove they aren't racist. But, let's see how they respond if he becomes a legitimate contender. At some point he will have to choose between addressing racial issues honestly -- which will get him in trouble with some Tea Party elements -- or pulling a full Clarence Thomas.

Quoting myself simply to say, "I told you so."

As everyone probably knows, Rick Perry leased a hunting camp that had a rather insensitive name. Herman Cain had a very understandable reaction to that news:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/texas-hunting-camps-name-causes-trouble-for-perry/

There "isn’t a more vile, negative word than the N-word, and for him to leave it there as long as he did, until before, I hear, they finally painted over it, is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country," said Mr. Cain, an African-American who is the former chief executive of the Godfather’s Pizza chain.

And the reaction from the right wingers:

Rush Limbaugh is dissapponted:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/03/herman_cain_piggybacks_on_wapo_s_perry_smear_and_obama_s_debate_lie

"I'm gonna tell you, this is really disappointing to me."

and then:

Now Herman Cain has joined this. Herman Cain is saying, "I should have defended that gay soldier booed during the GOP debate." So what is it about the lead that some people cannot handle? Cain ends up being launched into the top tier as a result of his performance in this debate and now his whole demeanor changes. He's gotta weigh in on all this stuff. He acts like he's reached the top tier, and now he has to act like what he thinks a top-tier candidate would do."

I guess Cain is getting a little to uppity for Rush.

CNN Contributor and Red State publisher Erick Erikson says:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/10/02/maybe-stephanie-mccrummen-just-likes-using-the-n-word/

"It also seems to be a slander Herman Cain is picking up and running with as a way to get into second place."

Glen Reynolds:

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/128979/

"I think that Herman Cain hurts himself by joining in on these attacks. His big appeal is that he’s not just another black race-card-playing politician. Climbing on board with the Post’s hit piece suggests that actually, he is."

Matt Lewis in the Daily Caller:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/03/herman-cains-attack-on-rick-perry-was-a-rookie-mistake/

"It was a cheap shot, and, perhaps is a signal that Cain is willing to play the race card against a fellow Republican when it benefits him."

"Cain has aided and abetted those who wish to portray southern conservatives as racists. In so doing, Cain provides cover for anyone wishing to cast Perry as such."

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it sad that you expect someone to act a certain way or think certain thoughts, in each instance solely because of the color of his skin. how ridiculous!

All of us are affected by our life experiences. For most black people of Thomas' age, skin color was a major influence on their life experiences. People came out of those experiences differently. Thomas was able to go to Yale and become a Supreme Court justice. Not every person in his situation was able to do so. I don't expect him to think and/or act exactly like the others -- nor do I expect all of them to act the same way either. But, I think it is sad that Thomas has chosen to turn his back on those in whose shoes he could so easily be.

so in other words, yes you do think he should hold the same view of others of similar pigmentation, solely because of the skin color .... sad.

Is your grasp of English so poor that you failed to understand this: "I don't expect him to think and/or act exactly like the others -- nor do I expect all of them to act the same way either"?

I was taught when making an argument that the word "but" negates all previous statements ... http://ezinearticles.com/?SMALL-TALK-TIP---Use-the-Word-And-to-Link-Instead-of-the-Word-But-to-Negate&id=2161234

Perhaps you should concentrate less on grammar and more on comprehension. Then you might not be as confused, but I doubt it.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it sad that you expect someone to act a certain way or think certain thoughts, in each instance solely because of the color of his skin. how ridiculous!

All of us are affected by our life experiences. For most black people of Thomas' age, skin color was a major influence on their life experiences. People came out of those experiences differently. Thomas was able to go to Yale and become a Supreme Court justice. Not every person in his situation was able to do so. I don't expect him to think and/or act exactly like the others -- nor do I expect all of them to act the same way either. But, I think it is sad that Thomas has chosen to turn his back on those in whose shoes he could so easily be.

so in other words, yes you do think he should hold the same view of others of similar pigmentation, solely because of the skin color .... sad.

Is your grasp of English so poor that you failed to understand this: "I don't expect him to think and/or act exactly like the others -- nor do I expect all of them to act the same way either"?

I was taught when making an argument that the word "but" negates all previous statements ... http://ezinearticles.com/?SMALL-TALK-TIP---Use-the-Word-And-to-Link-Instead-of-the-Word-But-to-Negate&id=2161234

Anonymous wrote:but your other words contradict that. your main issue with Thomas is because of his race. he doesn't think the way you feel a black man should. I'm sure you disagree just as strongly on the issues with Scalia (correct?), but for some reason you are not moved to comment on how his judicial views align with his ethnicity.

I love your style of debate. Pay no attention to the topic at hand, but just move the goal posts to wherever you think they should be. Why should I comment on Scalia when I have been asked to explain what I mean by "pulling a full Thomas"? But, if you want me to comment on Scalia, I'll be happy to do so. Scalia is actually the perfect example of to what I am referring. Scalia has not forgotten his roots. He constantly refers to his Italian immigrant parents and his Catholicism. Just compare how Italian-American organizations view Scalia to how African-American groups view Thomas. Does that mean that Scalia has exactly the same views as every other Italian-American? Of course not and other Italian-Americans don't hold all the same views either. But, Scalia sees his heritage as a source of pride. Thomas looks at his with disdain.