15:46 -- thank you for the links. This is the kind of info. that parents would like to see from FCPS. Instead, we pay for workbooks or search for more info. about what the tests are about. Info. like this gives parents faith that the test is doing what it's supposed to do (find kids with really good reasoning skills) and it does not mean your child is a failure if they do not make the cut.

I would think so, but is it a composite of 130 or 130 on one subgroup?

Anonymous wrote:15:49 -- The issue is WISC of 130 is a more reliable measure. Basically, there is no way to cook the WISC, but there are ways to cook the CogAT (probably by upto 15 points or so).

The bottom line is a CogAT of 130 is less reliable that a WISC of 130.

From what I've read here, I thought 130 CogAT/12 GRBS would have been sufficient to get into AAP on the first go around.

15:49 -- The issue is WISC of 130 is a more reliable measure. Basically, there is no way to cook the WISC, but there are ways to cook the CogAT (probably by upto 15 points or so).

The bottom line is a CogAT of 130 is less reliable that a WISC of 130.

Anonymous wrote:People, people. The teachers do "prep" the kids in the way that is acceptable. They are given oral instructions and a few practice questions before the actual testing day. At least is that is how my DD explained it to me (she is now in AAP after 130 CogAT and GRBS 12 did NOT get her in first round; 130 WISC got her in on appeal).

Any rhyme or reason to why she didn't get in 130/12 (which I've seen here is a general cutoff) but did get in 130 WISC (isn't that equivalent to the CogAt 130)? Sounds like a great example of why an appeal is necessary.

CogAT sample questions:
http://www.masonohioschools.com/files/filesystem/CogAT.pdf

CogAT prep suggestions:
http://www.masonohioschools.com/files/filesystem/CogAT%20Preparation.pdf

Anonymous wrote:People, people. The teachers do "prep" the kids in the way that is acceptable. They are given oral instructions and a few practice questions before the actual testing day. At least is that is how my DD explained it to me (she is now in AAP after 130 CogAT and GRBS 12 did NOT get her in first round; 130 WISC got her in on appeal).

That's right. I remember, my kids had some practice/sample test at school the day before.

People, people. The teachers do "prep" the kids in the way that is acceptable. They are given oral instructions and a few practice questions before the actual testing day. At least is that is how my DD explained it to me (she is now in AAP after 130 CogAT and GRBS 12 did NOT get her in first round; 130 WISC got her in on appeal).

There's two different lines of thought going on here.

One line is debating whether or not using the Cogat test prep is okay.

The OP's question was about asking which specific version of Cogat her child was going to get when tested, because she wanted to get that version for practice. No. No, and NO.

Anonymous wrote:To the immediately prior poster -- why wait for your child to do less than enough and spend $400 on a wisc and an appeal? Why not just give the child a little exposure to the types of questions being asked so that he/she does his/her best on the CogAtt? The latter option makes much more sense to me.... and lots cheaper too!

Because 130 on the CogAT + 11 GBRS will not get in. 130 WISC with 11GBRS will get in. Why? WISC is a better measure.

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Anonymous wrote:To the immediately prior poster -- why wait for your child to do less than enough and spend $400 on a wisc and an appeal? Why not just give the child a little exposure to the types of questions being asked so that he/she does his/her best on the CogAtt? The latter option makes much more sense to me.... and lots cheaper too!

And where do you find this "exposure to types of questions being asked"?

try Google.

I don't think Google can answer what the pp was referring to when she said "a little exposure." I'm curious about what it is she's referring to. But thanks for the Google tip.

I forgot where but last year I googled and somehow came across a several pages power point explaining about the tests and several examples on NNAT.
That was pretty good. Also I borrowed a 'practice test' of NNAT and GogAt from a friend. I'm at work, so not 100% sure, but I think this looks like it
http://www.amazon.com/Practice-Naglieri-Nonverbal-Ability-Test%C2%AE/dp/0981581056/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1317736055&sr=8-1

On Aamzon, try NNAT or CogAT, you get the idea.

I actually had my kid do this something like below ling for one Summer thinking that it was a prep for NNAT/CogAT, but turned out that it's not really a prep for the test, but it's for general purpose. But I guess it was good for the kid anyhow.
http://www.amazon.com/Building-Thinking-Skills--Critical-reading/dp/1601441495/ref=sr_1_22?ie=UTF8&qid=1317736210&sr=8-22

A sample test book from Amazon. They are not high quality, but at least it's an opportunity for a child to see what types of questions are asked. If I show my child how to turn a shape one way and then change the shading and then look for the one answer that does the same, then my child will either get it when it is test time or won't get it.... but his/her score won't be low just because he/she has never seen such a question before.

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Anonymous wrote:To the immediately prior poster -- why wait for your child to do less than enough and spend $400 on a wisc and an appeal? Why not just give the child a little exposure to the types of questions being asked so that he/she does his/her best on the CogAtt? The latter option makes much more sense to me.... and lots cheaper too!

And where do you find this "exposure to types of questions being asked"?

try Google.

I don't think Google can answer what the pp was referring to when she said "a little exposure." I'm curious about what it is she's referring to. But thanks for the Google tip.

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Anonymous wrote:To the immediately prior poster -- why wait for your child to do less than enough and spend $400 on a wisc and an appeal? Why not just give the child a little exposure to the types of questions being asked so that he/she does his/her best on the CogAtt? The latter option makes much more sense to me.... and lots cheaper too!

And where do you find this "exposure to types of questions being asked"?

try Google.

Anonymous wrote:To the immediately prior poster -- why wait for your child to do less than enough and spend $400 on a wisc and an appeal? Why not just give the child a little exposure to the types of questions being asked so that he/she does his/her best on the CogAtt? The latter option makes much more sense to me.... and lots cheaper too!

I'm not against having a kid familiarized with the type of questions if the parents choose to.
Just saying that the tests are not perfect and $hit happens once in a while whether prepped or not, so if that's the case...