Anonymous wrote:You get what you voted for.

OK, so if your dream candidates were elected into office and they wanted your advice, what would you tell them to do to address this issue that is different than what's being done now?

Anonymous wrote:I do wish the murder rate in MoCo (specifically in silver spring, of the usual demographics) skyrockets so Virginians don’t come bother me in Bethesda. Keep thinking it’s dangerous please, I don’t need your striverism

What makes you any different acting like Silver Spring is so bad?

You get what you voted for.

Anonymous wrote:The most staggering stat is that in 2021 Montgomery County had 36 murders while Arlington had 0. Yes, zero. It was Montgomery County’s worse year for homicides in 10 years.

Same pandemic, but totally different Covid policies in jurisdictions that were both governed exclusively by Dems presumably had at least something to do with this disparity.

It’s just geography. We’re next to DC and PG. you have to cross the river to get to Arlington

Anonymous wrote:Poverty causes crime, period. Even domestic violence.

No it doesn't. The average income globally is less than $10,000. There are billions of poor people around the world. But they don't murder each other because they were "disrespected."

Montgomery County's problem is they don't put violent men in jail.

Poverty causes crime, period. Even domestic violence.

The most staggering stat is that in 2021 Montgomery County had 36 murders while Arlington had 0. Yes, zero. It was Montgomery County’s worse year for homicides in 10 years.

Same pandemic, but totally different Covid policies in jurisdictions that were both governed exclusively by Dems presumably had at least something to do with this disparity.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the press releases regarding all murders:

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Police_Filter.aspx?cat=homicide&id=47

I looked through some of them, and of the crimes that had been solved, they were not random -- seemed to be one family member shooting another, two people who knew each other getting into a fight, etc. I'm not even sure how to go about preventing stuff like that. But perhaps the PPs who think this is about "political choices" have some ideas.

I’m sure if you drilled down into any jurisdiction’s murder records you’d find cases like these. Is your argument that because of cases like these jurisdictions should just throw up their hands and not care about stopping violent crime in general? I don’t see your point.

My point is that it would be helpful to understand what practical solutions people propose to address crimes like these. You can't just say "more police" because if someone is going to kill their family inside their home, more police won't do anything to help that. Almost all of the murders were from fights where the people knew each other, and were not random. What is the solution? It's a serious question to try to make this discussion more productive, as opposed to just random ranting.

A serious response would be to emulate what Arlington did when they brought their murders down from 56 murders from 1990-1995 to 9 murders from 2020-2025 (with 0 in 2021) even though their population grew from 170,000 in 1990 to 244,000 today.

I’m sure economic development and addressing Central American gang violence would be two of the many factors in this rapid decline, but I am interested in hearing from anyone who was in Arlington government around that time to see what they did to get these results.

You are making a specific claim -- that Arlington elected officials took specific policy actions that should be emulated in MoCo.

Now tell us what those were.

No one is making any claims other than quoting stats, which are that Arlington’s murder rate was twice as bad as Montgomery County’s in the 1990s and is now more than four times better. I didn’t even know about that before reading this thread, but from personal experience I’ve noticed that Arlington has gotten progressively nicer since the 90s.

Can anyone answer PP’s question about the causes of this stark turnaround in Arlington’s murder rate and why Montgomery County didn’t have such a similar drop in its murder rate? It would be interesting to get someone who lived in Arlington to shed some light on this.

I do wish the murder rate in MoCo (specifically in silver spring, of the usual demographics) skyrockets so Virginians don’t come bother me in Bethesda. Keep thinking it’s dangerous please, I don’t need your striverism

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the press releases regarding all murders:

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Police_Filter.aspx?cat=homicide&id=47

I looked through some of them, and of the crimes that had been solved, they were not random -- seemed to be one family member shooting another, two people who knew each other getting into a fight, etc. I'm not even sure how to go about preventing stuff like that. But perhaps the PPs who think this is about "political choices" have some ideas.

I’m sure if you drilled down into any jurisdiction’s murder records you’d find cases like these. Is your argument that because of cases like these jurisdictions should just throw up their hands and not care about stopping violent crime in general? I don’t see your point.

My point is that it would be helpful to understand what practical solutions people propose to address crimes like these. You can't just say "more police" because if someone is going to kill their family inside their home, more police won't do anything to help that. Almost all of the murders were from fights where the people knew each other, and were not random. What is the solution? It's a serious question to try to make this discussion more productive, as opposed to just random ranting.

A serious response would be to emulate what Arlington did when they brought their murders down from 56 murders from 1990-1995 to 9 murders from 2020-2025 (with 0 in 2021) even though their population grew from 170,000 in 1990 to 244,000 today.

I’m sure economic development and addressing Central American gang violence would be two of the many factors in this rapid decline, but I am interested in hearing from anyone who was in Arlington government around that time to see what they did to get these results.

You are making a specific claim -- that Arlington elected officials took specific policy actions that should be emulated in MoCo.

Now tell us what those were.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the press releases regarding all murders:

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Police_Filter.aspx?cat=homicide&id=47

I looked through some of them, and of the crimes that had been solved, they were not random -- seemed to be one family member shooting another, two people who knew each other getting into a fight, etc. I'm not even sure how to go about preventing stuff like that. But perhaps the PPs who think this is about "political choices" have some ideas.

I’m sure if you drilled down into any jurisdiction’s murder records you’d find cases like these. Is your argument that because of cases like these jurisdictions should just throw up their hands and not care about stopping violent crime in general? I don’t see your point.

My point is that it would be helpful to understand what practical solutions people propose to address crimes like these. You can't just say "more police" because if someone is going to kill their family inside their home, more police won't do anything to help that. Almost all of the murders were from fights where the people knew each other, and were not random. What is the solution? It's a serious question to try to make this discussion more productive, as opposed to just random ranting.

A serious response would be to emulate what Arlington did when they brought their murders down from 56 murders from 1990-1995 to 9 murders from 2020-2025 (with 0 in 2021) even though their population grew from 170,000 in 1990 to 244,000 today.

I’m sure economic development and addressing Central American gang violence would be two of the many factors in this rapid decline, but I am interested in hearing from anyone who was in Arlington government around that time to see what they did to get these results.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the press releases regarding all murders:

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Police_Filter.aspx?cat=homicide&id=47

I looked through some of them, and of the crimes that had been solved, they were not random -- seemed to be one family member shooting another, two people who knew each other getting into a fight, etc. I'm not even sure how to go about preventing stuff like that. But perhaps the PPs who think this is about "political choices" have some ideas.

I’m sure if you drilled down into any jurisdiction’s murder records you’d find cases like these. Is your argument that because of cases like these jurisdictions should just throw up their hands and not care about stopping violent crime in general? I don’t see your point.

My point is that it would be helpful to understand what practical solutions people propose to address crimes like these. You can't just say "more police" because if someone is going to kill their family inside their home, more police won't do anything to help that. Almost all of the murders were from fights where the people knew each other, and were not random. What is the solution? It's a serious question to try to make this discussion more productive, as opposed to just random ranting.

Anonymous wrote:WRT microns Arlington, moco has more of a gang problem than Arlington. A lot of the crime there is gang related. Arlington has a large immigrant population (mostly Central American) but they aren’t as commonly gang affiliated. Ms 13 isn’t as prevalent. Those are some nasty dudes.

What is WRT microns? MS 13 is an El Salvadoran gang and they’re from Central America, so what did Arlington do to not only prevent gangs in its Central American population but make the county’s murder rate decline from 56 murders between 1990 to 1995 to routinely only having between 0-2 murders a year recently?

Source for 1990-1995 Arlington murder stats: https://www.arlnow.com/2011/12/30/arlington-may-record-rare-murder-free-year/

WRT microns Arlington, moco has more of a gang problem than Arlington. A lot of the crime there is gang related. Arlington has a large immigrant population (mostly Central American) but they aren’t as commonly gang affiliated. Ms 13 isn’t as prevalent. Those are some nasty dudes.

Anonymous wrote:Here are the press releases regarding all murders:

https://www2.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcgportalapps/Press_Police_Filter.aspx?cat=homicide&id=47

I looked through some of them, and of the crimes that had been solved, they were not random -- seemed to be one family member shooting another, two people who knew each other getting into a fight, etc. I'm not even sure how to go about preventing stuff like that. But perhaps the PPs who think this is about "political choices" have some ideas.

I’m sure if you drilled down into any jurisdiction’s murder records you’d find cases like these. Is your argument that because of cases like these jurisdictions should just throw up their hands and not care about stopping violent crime in general? I don’t see your point.