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Anonymous wrote:Swiss patient left ship in late April
The case-patient in Switzerland was traveling with his wife on the ship but left the boat in late April, returning home to Switzerland. According to the Swiss ministry of health, he consulted his family doctor by phone after experiencing symptoms in recent days and went to University Hospital Zurich. The patient’s wife currently has no symptoms and is in self-isolation.

So to be clear, he left the boat early?

He was crew

A crew traveling with his wife?

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Anonymous wrote:Swiss patient left ship in late April
The case-patient in Switzerland was traveling with his wife on the ship but left the boat in late April, returning home to Switzerland. According to the Swiss ministry of health, he consulted his family doctor by phone after experiencing symptoms in recent days and went to University Hospital Zurich. The patient’s wife currently has no symptoms and is in self-isolation.

So to be clear, he left the boat early?

He was crew

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t heard about new cases reported in the countries that are treating the cruise ship staff/patients.
This is why I don’t do cruises (other than the small motor sailboat yacht in Galapagos) - viruses can fly through the passengers like wildfire.

After the norovirus and diarrhea cruises, I don't understand why anyone would do it.

We took a Regent luxury cruise to Alaska. It was a great way to see the inland passage on a smaller ship.

Maam, I've had norovirus and I don't recommend it. Cruise ships are vectors of gastro intestinal disease, which spreads because people don't wash their hands. You cruised with ?hundreds of people. I wouldn't cruise for any reason. Not worth it.

And where did you catch norovirus? You can catch it anywhere. Get over yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

No, A cruise ship is having an outbreak and this hasn't happened before. No, it is not easily transmissible. Given that your knowledge seems lacking, maybe you should not try to spread panic.

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Anonymous wrote:Swiss patient left ship in late April
The case-patient in Switzerland was traveling with his wife on the ship but left the boat in late April, returning home to Switzerland. According to the Swiss ministry of health, he consulted his family doctor by phone after experiencing symptoms in recent days and went to University Hospital Zurich. The patient’s wife currently has no symptoms and is in self-isolation.

So to be clear, he left the boat early?

Yes. He left the boat in late April. No one else has left the boat except those very ill who have had to be evacuated for medical care. Even the dead bodies are still on the boat.

This is not right. He left the ship along with 22 others in late April to fly home to their respective countries (it was planned- some people did a shorter cruise, and some stayed on board for the second leg). At least one passenger disembarked in late April and returned to the US.

Hopefully someone is doing interviews and contract tracing for anyone who has had respiratory symptoms since returning. WHO probably does it in other countries but not clear who is doing it here — CDC? Unfortunately we probably also don’t have authority here to actually quarantine anyone exposed like we used to do decades ago.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t heard about new cases reported in the countries that are treating the cruise ship staff/patients.
This is why I don’t do cruises (other than the small motor sailboat yacht in Galapagos) - viruses can fly through the passengers like wildfire.

After the norovirus and diarrhea cruises, I don't understand why anyone would do it.

We took a Regent luxury cruise to Alaska. It was a great way to see the inland passage on a smaller ship.

Maam, I've had norovirus and I don't recommend it. Cruise ships are vectors of gastro intestinal disease, which spreads because people don't wash their hands. You cruised with ?hundreds of people. I wouldn't cruise for any reason. Not worth it.

Same. Never in a million years.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t heard about new cases reported in the countries that are treating the cruise ship staff/patients.
This is why I don’t do cruises (other than the small motor sailboat yacht in Galapagos) - viruses can fly through the passengers like wildfire.

After the norovirus and diarrhea cruises, I don't understand why anyone would do it.

We took a Regent luxury cruise to Alaska. It was a great way to see the inland passage on a smaller ship.

Maam, I've had norovirus and I don't recommend it. Cruise ships are vectors of gastro intestinal disease, which spreads because people don't wash their hands. You cruised with ?hundreds of people. I wouldn't cruise for any reason. Not worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:Swiss patient left ship in late April
The case-patient in Switzerland was traveling with his wife on the ship but left the boat in late April, returning home to Switzerland. According to the Swiss ministry of health, he consulted his family doctor by phone after experiencing symptoms in recent days and went to University Hospital Zurich. The patient’s wife currently has no symptoms and is in self-isolation.

So to be clear, he left the boat early?

Yes. He left the boat in late April. No one else has left the boat except those very ill who have had to be evacuated for medical care. Even the dead bodies are still on the boat.

This is not right. He left the ship along with 22 others in late April to fly home to their respective countries (it was planned- some people did a shorter cruise, and some stayed on board for the second leg). At least one passenger disembarked in late April and returned to the US.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not airborne.

Correction: it is aerosolized by rodent droppings. That’s airborne. Human to human transmission is believed to be passed through exposure to bodily fluids.

One of the articles I read said this very rare variant of hanta can be passed by aerosolized body fluids — eg an infected symptomatic person coughing. Someone cited a study from Argentina from decades ago about an outbreak that killed about a dozen people. Some of the people were infected at a wedding where one infected person spent 90 minutes and infected like 5 people. So it seems that it has to be close quarters and someone coughing or breathing right in your face. So makes sense the wife and ship doctor were among the infected. I’d llle to know what jobs the other ship employees had. The other passengers infected (sounds like maybe 3 passengers plus spouses?) might have been on the same excursion. They dont know if the person picked it up in Argentina or on one of the small islands at the start of the cruise, where there may have been infected birds or rodents and maybe they were hiking kicking up dust or something like that. The fact that there doesn’t seem to be an outbreak now in Argentina makes me think maybe it was from an island excursion early in the trip.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Swiss patient left ship in late April
The case-patient in Switzerland was traveling with his wife on the ship but left the boat in late April, returning home to Switzerland. According to the Swiss ministry of health, he consulted his family doctor by phone after experiencing symptoms in recent days and went to University Hospital Zurich. The patient’s wife currently has no symptoms and is in self-isolation.

So to be clear, he left the boat early?

Yes. He left the boat in late April. No one else has left the boat except those very ill who have had to be evacuated for medical care. Even the dead bodies are still on the boat.

Anonymous wrote:Swiss patient left ship in late April
The case-patient in Switzerland was traveling with his wife on the ship but left the boat in late April, returning home to Switzerland. According to the Swiss ministry of health, he consulted his family doctor by phone after experiencing symptoms in recent days and went to University Hospital Zurich. The patient’s wife currently has no symptoms and is in self-isolation.

So to be clear, he left the boat early?

Swiss patient left ship in late April
The case-patient in Switzerland was traveling with his wife on the ship but left the boat in late April, returning home to Switzerland. According to the Swiss ministry of health, he consulted his family doctor by phone after experiencing symptoms in recent days and went to University Hospital Zurich. The patient’s wife currently has no symptoms and is in self-isolation.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

It's just one cruise ship that is having an outbreak.

Those people have been taking land excursions and mingling with other people.

Some news articles are making it sound like it’s one cruise ship and everyone is quarantine, but that’s not the case because some people are already back at home and presenting with symptoms.

My understanding is this patient was evacuated from the ship. It’s a very serious illness.

I stand corrected. It was not one of the evacuees today.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

It's just one cruise ship that is having an outbreak.

Those people have been taking land excursions and mingling with other people.

Some news articles are making it sound like it’s one cruise ship and everyone is quarantine, but that’s not the case because some people are already back at home and presenting with symptoms.

My understanding is this patient was evacuated from the ship. It’s a very serious illness.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't hear about the France case being infected on a plane. Link?

Also, I was under the impression that this strain of hantavirus is endemic in Argentina- it's not a novel thing- and it requires very close contact to spread, like sharing a bed, or sharing food. So I suppose being right next to someone on the airplane and sharing a drink with them or something could spread it, but I did not think it was very easily transmissible, not airborne or small droplet spread like flu or covid etc.

The cruise ships are having out breaks and I read that it can take 2-3 weeks to feel the effects all the while you're spreading it to ton of people. It's got a high fatality rate as well and it is pretty easily transmissible. Not good.

It's just one cruise ship that is having an outbreak.

Those people have been taking land excursions and mingling with other people.

Some news articles are making it sound like it’s one cruise ship and everyone is quarantine, but that’s not the case because some people are already back at home and presenting with symptoms.