Anonymous wrote:(Frothing at mouth) But, but, but one’s an IVY!

Hopkins is fast becoming the Asian Ivy. (Not to say there are not plenty of Asian students at traditional Ivies, too — there are.)

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Anonymous wrote:Baseline, Hopkins is better than Cornell. Add in pre-med to the mix, Hopkins is much better. Don’t let the Ivy-bust moms sway you.

NP: What about for a kid choosing between the two who is uncertain between human or animal medicine?

I would pick Cornell just because it has a TON more animal medicine resources and programs. And it’s not like pursuing human medicine is bad at Cornell - it’s quite the opposite. JHU just edges it out marginally for human medicine.

Optionality-wise, wouldn't one pick Cornell because it has a TON more resources and programs outside premed?
What good options JHU offers for weed outs? I can't think of any.

JHU, while being famous for medical-related majors, are also excellent in several other areas, including engineering (ranked 13 on US News for undergrad), CS (16), psychology (8), economics (21), AI (20), neuroscience (3), biological science (9), health policy (5), international relations (1), etc. Sure, a non-BME student cannot switch into BME where it is number 1 or 2, but other engineering disciplines are not restricted. Thus, if being weed out means an okay 3.3 or so and not a crash-and-burn 2.7, the student has many excellent alternatives to pivot to. With the ease at which to secure research opportunities at JHU, the student is well-positioned to build their resume for graduate school, whether at JHU or elsewhere.

JHU for premed for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Baseline, Hopkins is better than Cornell. Add in pre-med to the mix, Hopkins is much better. Don’t let the Ivy-bust moms sway you.

NP: What about for a kid choosing between the two who is uncertain between human or animal medicine?

I would pick Cornell just because it has a TON more animal medicine resources and programs. And it’s not like pursuing human medicine is bad at Cornell - it’s quite the opposite. JHU just edges it out marginally for human medicine.

Optionality-wise, wouldn't one pick Cornell because it has a TON more resources and programs outside premed?
What good options JHU offers for weed outs? I can't think of any.

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Anonymous wrote:Baseline, Hopkins is better than Cornell. Add in pre-med to the mix, Hopkins is much better. Don’t let the Ivy-bust moms sway you.

NP: What about for a kid choosing between the two who is uncertain between human or animal medicine?

For a student undecided between human and animal medicine, Cornell University offers a broader academic safety net and more direct specialized resources for both paths, while JHU provides an unparalleled, albeit more singular, focus on human medicine.

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Anonymous wrote:Baseline, Hopkins is better than Cornell. Add in pre-med to the mix, Hopkins is much better. Don’t let the Ivy-bust moms sway you.

NP: What about for a kid choosing between the two who is uncertain between human or animal medicine?

I would pick Cornell just because it has a TON more animal medicine resources and programs. And it’s not like pursuing human medicine is bad at Cornell - it’s quite the opposite. JHU just edges it out marginally for human medicine.

Anonymous wrote:Baseline, Hopkins is better than Cornell. Add in pre-med to the mix, Hopkins is much better. Don’t let the Ivy-bust moms sway you.

NP: What about for a kid choosing between the two who is uncertain between human or animal medicine?

Have your kid pick which school is a better social/personality fit.

Anonymous wrote:Baseline, Hopkins is better than Cornell. Add in pre-med to the mix, Hopkins is much better. Don’t let the Ivy-bust moms sway you.

They are literally 2 spots apart on US News Global rankings (16 v. 18) and trade place in other global rankings (see below). Both schools produce hundreds of successful med school applicants every year. Go where you will be a happier student (size, weather, location, city v. rural, greek life, sports, etc.).

QS: Cornell 16 v. Hopkins 24
Times: Hopkins 16 v. 18
Forbes Hopkins 8 Cornell 14

Baseline, Hopkins is better than Cornell. Add in pre-med to the mix, Hopkins is much better. Don’t let the Ivy-bust moms sway you.

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Anonymous wrote:I respect Cornell as an institution immensely but I don’t know a single Cornell alum who views it fondly

Not a single one.

I do, as do most of my friends.

Me too!

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Anonymous wrote:Stupid basis for choosing.

+10000

If kid is worried about getting weeded out, kid doesn’t belong. Go study humanities or something else.

Year in and year out, it’s the kids never thought about being weed out ended up being weed out.

Public school 4.0 kids with 16 APs get destroyed left and right at these top schools every year. They’ve never been prepped properly for college rigor.

I’m pp with dd who did well in intro bio. She comes from rigorous public with 4.0/4.7/1530 and 6 AP’s (all 5’s) so not the highest stats you’ll see on this board. What I think helped was learning time management in high school as she played on high level sports team (15-20 hours/week, national travel) and not overloading coursework her first year. So she works hard but it’s not overwhelming, and she sometimes feels like she was busier in high school.

While there are certainly students who drop premed, I don’t think it’s as black and white as other posters claim.

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Anonymous wrote:Stupid basis for choosing.

+10000

If kid is worried about getting weeded out, kid doesn’t belong. Go study humanities or something else.

Year in and year out, it’s the kids never thought about being weed out ended up being weed out.

Public school 4.0 kids with 16 APs get destroyed left and right at these top schools every year. They’ve never been prepped properly for college rigor.

Just public school kids? Private school kids are all able to breeze through? You're saying this just to make you feel good about the money you spent on privates. The truth is it depends on how talented the kid is. The same 1550 kid, whether they go through the public or private school systems, will essentially be the same person capability-wise. The same person, whether with a 4.0/1550/16 APs at a public or a 3.8-3.9/1550 at a private, will perform roughly the same --- excelling or getting destroyed --- when they get to top schools. It's the kid's talent that matters most.

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Anonymous wrote:Stupid basis for choosing.

+10000

If kid is worried about getting weeded out, kid doesn’t belong. Go study humanities or something else.

Year in and year out, it’s the kids never thought about being weed out ended up being weed out.

Public school 4.0 kids with 16 APs get destroyed left and right at these top schools every year. They’ve never been prepped properly for college rigor.

Grade inflation. Fake grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Stupid basis for choosing.

+10000

If kid is worried about getting weeded out, kid doesn’t belong. Go study humanities or something else.

Year in and year out, it’s the kids never thought about being weed out ended up being weed out.

Public school 4.0 kids with 16 APs get destroyed left and right at these top schools every year. They’ve never been prepped properly for college rigor.