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Anonymous wrote:Yep. If you are at a center school in a wealthier area, MUCH harder than local schools. Kids with much lower scores get in. I’m in one of the schools where parents basically prep kids since Kg. Center school in high income area.

I cant believe there are kids whose parents prep/tutor them. This does not show natural ability and they should not be able to get in. I know some parents are helping their child with the artifacts and this is a huge equity issue.

I agree it's bizarre because the farce all seems to fall apart by middle/ high school. What is the point of putting academic pressure on a 2nd grader...
Even worse, they are taking resources from kids who are gifted and really would benefit from the environment

AAP is not just for gifted kids. My kid is in it. He’s not gifted. He’s very smart and can figure things out. He works really hard as well. Been straight A’s in AAP and is in 8th now. An intelligent kid who works hard will do just fine in AAP.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. If you are at a center school in a wealthier area, MUCH harder than local schools. Kids with much lower scores get in. I’m in one of the schools where parents basically prep kids since Kg. Center school in high income area.

I cant believe there are kids whose parents prep/tutor them. This does not show natural ability and they should not be able to get in. I know some parents are helping their child with the artifacts and this is a huge equity issue.

I agree it's bizarre because the farce all seems to fall apart by middle/ high school. What is the point of putting academic pressure on a 2nd grader...
Even worse, they are taking resources from kids who are gifted and really would benefit from the environment

Anonymous wrote:Yep. If you are at a center school in a wealthier area, MUCH harder than local schools. Kids with much lower scores get in. I’m in one of the schools where parents basically prep kids since Kg. Center school in high income area.

I cant believe there are kids whose parents prep/tutor them. This does not show natural ability and they should not be able to get in. I know some parents are helping their child with the artifacts and this is a huge equity issue.

Yep. If you are at a center school in a wealthier area, MUCH harder than local schools. Kids with much lower scores get in. I’m in one of the schools where parents basically prep kids since Kg. Center school in high income area.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

High MAP and VALLS too? You may have better luck on appeals than you think.

Yes. High MAP (99 percentile) and perfect VALLSS score (got max score) but I don’t know if those are included in the AAP packet.

It’s a bit unfair if your child just happens to be at a competitive elementary school. The AAP curriculum is supposed to be the same throughout the county so if a kid would be selected at a less competitive school and thrive in AAP, they should be able to access that same programming regardless of how many other kids at their school it’s also appropriate for.

Frustrating to see lower scores (testing, HOPE report card etc) of kids that get in from less competitive schools and many with the same and higher at competitive schools get shut out.

NP and I very much agree with this. We're at a school like this, and DC would thrive with the AAP curriculum but can't get in (at least not yet) because it's so competitive. So unfair for kids with the same profile at other schools to get all the enriching AAP activities and DC not to. (Part-time AAP is not at all the same. It's very spotty in terms of how they meet, and the AAP teacher decides what to do with them and it's honestly kind of random and a lot of it's digital. Not at all the same as the math challenges, vocab work, etc. they do in the full-time AAP classroom.)

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

High MAP and VALLS too? You may have better luck on appeals than you think.

Yes. High MAP (99 percentile) and perfect VALLSS score (got max score) but I don’t know if those are included in the AAP packet.

It’s a bit unfair if your child just happens to be at a competitive elementary school. The AAP curriculum is supposed to be the same throughout the county so if a kid would be selected at a less competitive school and thrive in AAP, they should be able to access that same programming regardless of how many other kids at their school it’s also appropriate for.

Frustrating to see lower scores (testing, HOPE report card etc) of kids that get in from less competitive schools and many with the same and higher at competitive schools get shut out.

Agree completely. At least they were transparent telling us that our kids are evaluated against the pool at their respective schools! That policy to compare against classmates needs to go! Kids should have access to a curriculum that appropriately challenges them and that they can thrive in regardless of classmate’s abilities.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

High MAP and VALLS too? You may have better luck on appeals than you think.

Yes. High MAP (99 percentile) and perfect VALLSS score (got max score) but I don’t know if those are included in the AAP packet.

It’s a bit unfair if your child just happens to be at a competitive elementary school. The AAP curriculum is supposed to be the same throughout the county so if a kid would be selected at a less competitive school and thrive in AAP, they should be able to access that same programming regardless of how many other kids at their school it’s also appropriate for.

Frustrating to see lower scores (testing, HOPE report card etc) of kids that get in from less competitive schools and many with the same and higher at competitive schools get shut out.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

What is the point of testing these kids if they don't even consider the results? And when they're in-pool? I'm beginning to think all the kids "in pool" should just be accepted to AAP, remove the central committee and let the teachers at the school determine who should be in AAP. A group of people who don't even know these kids are determining who makes the cut and who doesn't, despite great scores on HW, report cards, HOPE, etc. Eliminate the middle man/group and let those who know the student actually decide. Because the reality is, if they still don't get in on appeal, the school is determine whether they can do PT AAP if offered.

Scores used to matter but then parents figured out how to prep their kids for them and skewed the results, and this is why we can’t have easy solutions. For every parent who says, “let the teachers who know the kids at their school decide,” is another parent who says the teacher has no way of knowing their kid in a class of 28 and they got screwed on HOPE rating. The point of the holistic process is to look at the whole picture and determine if the scores match the work samples and the teacher impression. It’s definitely an imperfect system but it changed for a reason.

It's the holistic part of it that makes it so so not transparent. Now that the GBRS score is replaced with Hope, which includes check marks instead of actual scores (as in GBRS), things have become even less transparent. I agree if a kid can be part of the full time screening pool then why can't he/she get into the full time program?
My DC despite of having good scores in NGAT, NNAT, VALS, MAP and mostly all 4 s in report card except for few 3s, reasonable Hope got rejected. I was not happy with the work samples our AART submitted. She could have submitted better samples as I have seen my child bring back home better samples from school. We appealed, included WISC, but not too hopeful.

Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

What is the point of testing these kids if they don't even consider the results? And when they're in-pool? I'm beginning to think all the kids "in pool" should just be accepted to AAP, remove the central committee and let the teachers at the school determine who should be in AAP. A group of people who don't even know these kids are determining who makes the cut and who doesn't, despite great scores on HW, report cards, HOPE, etc. Eliminate the middle man/group and let those who know the student actually decide. Because the reality is, if they still don't get in on appeal, the school is determine whether they can do PT AAP if offered.

Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

High MAP and VALLS too? You may have better luck on appeals than you think.

Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

Yet another example of a gifted student rejected by the holistic process....
And, I know that not everyone in aap has 99%ile for even just any individual index in the wisc because people humble brag their kids scores all the time...
I do wish they could be more transparent with who this program is for

Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

Ditto for me back with older one (now in 8th.) Rejected until 4th grade. He had a friend who didn’t get in until transition from 6th-7th!

My younger one (grade 2) also got retracted and we appealed. No WISC. Didn’t help my older one last time. More interesting work samples so will see but no big hopes.

And honestly, no big deal. Unless they go to TJ, all end up in same school for high school and can choose classes.

My 2nd grader was rejected. Received “Always” on the HOPE in all eleven areas. All 4s on report card. WISC-V was 99%tile. We’re at a high SES school that is also an AAP center. I don’t have high hopes that they’ll get in on appeal, but tried anyway.

Those that got in on appeal and used WISC-V, did you include the full report with all the subscores? Do any subscores carry more weight than the others? How much weight does the PSI carry?