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Anonymous wrote:Glad to see they are bringing it back and that the idiocy of not having it did not spread far and wide. VA was on track to do something similar but thankfully did not.

No, it wasn’t.

Is that not what VMPI was?

No it wasn't. That has been debunked a dozen times on this forum.

+1 million

Facts:

> VMPI never proposed eliminating algebra in middle school.

> Calculus/IB were always included as a pathway.

People with a political agenda have been pushing lies about this forever.

They only didn’t propose it because of the uproar. They 100% would have. It is literally impossible to underestimate the really terrible ideas in current math pedagogy.

+1000.

Don’t buy into the person trying to astroturf their true intentions.

VMPI sought to eliminate higher math offerings in public school for equity reasons.

This has been disproven countless times. Why continue to lie?

Anonymous wrote:It was shot down by Democrats who actually had kids in school, not by RWNJs. This really was not a partisan issue. Facts please.

It was pushed HARD by Youngkin, PDE (Koch-funded astroturfers), and other RWNJs.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to see they are bringing it back and that the idiocy of not having it did not spread far and wide. VA was on track to do something similar but thankfully did not.

No, it wasn’t.

Is that not what VMPI was?

No it wasn't. That has been debunked a dozen times on this forum.

+1 million

Facts:

> VMPI never proposed eliminating algebra in middle school.

> Calculus/IB were always included as a pathway.

People with a political agenda have been pushing lies about this forever.

They only didn’t propose it because of the uproar. They 100% would have. It is literally impossible to underestimate the really terrible ideas in current math pedagogy.

+1000.

Don’t buy into the person trying to astroturf their true intentions.

VMPI sought to eliminate higher math offerings in public school for equity reasons.

It was shot down by Democrats who actually had kids in school, not by RWNJs. This really was not a partisan issue. Facts please.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to see they are bringing it back and that the idiocy of not having it did not spread far and wide. VA was on track to do something similar but thankfully did not.

No, it wasn’t.

Is that not what VMPI was?

No it wasn't. That has been debunked a dozen times on this forum.

+1 million

Facts:

> VMPI never proposed eliminating algebra in middle school.

> Calculus/IB were always included as a pathway.

People with a political agenda have been pushing lies about this forever.

They only didn’t propose it because of the uproar. They 100% would have. It is literally impossible to underestimate the really terrible ideas in current math pedagogy.

They didn't propose it, period. They were very early in the process and were actively seeking feedback. Some people made some premature, false assumptions. Then the RWNJs whipped up a frenzy because of the upcoming election.

School districts in VA have always been able to accelerate and nothing in their proposal said otherwise - even way before they explicitly said that there would be no ban on advanced/accelerated classes. From day one, they included calculus, AP, DE, and IB as options - which all require acceleration.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201205224638/https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/infographic-vmpi-virginia.pdf




One of the main goals of the initiative was to offer MORE pathways to get more kids interested in math. It was a group of math teachers who love math and wanted to get more kids engaged and learning. Who do RWNJs always have to ruin everything?

Boaler at Stanford U seems to be the Lucy Calkins of math pedagogy. The proposed VA math changes - dropped after the uproar - appeared to be strongly influenced by her writings. Mumble.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to see they are bringing it back and that the idiocy of not having it did not spread far and wide. VA was on track to do something similar but thankfully did not.

No, it wasn’t.

Is that not what VMPI was?

No it wasn't. That has been debunked a dozen times on this forum.

+1 million

Facts:

> VMPI never proposed eliminating algebra in middle school.

> Calculus/IB were always included as a pathway.

People with a political agenda have been pushing lies about this forever.

They only didn’t propose it because of the uproar. They 100% would have. It is literally impossible to underestimate the really terrible ideas in current math pedagogy.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. The case in favor of woke curricula would be stronger if the examples of top schools that include woke were outside the US rather than inside the US.

How so?

US PISA scores - which are objective knowledge tests - are so much lower than than many other countries. The case would be stronger if one showed that schools with woke curricula performed well in a country where PISA scores are strong across the board.

My point is that woke curricula =/= poor academics. The existence of an entire class of elite private schools with woke curricula and elite academics proves my point. PISA averages don't really matter since PP is not an average American and average schools were never on the table in this conversation to begin with.

I don't have an opinion either way about woke curricula.

However, I do care about statistics. A sample of only 5-20 schools simply is not credible evidence to support any claim either way. Pointing to a broadly used curriculum - impossible in the US due to many local school boards each operating independently - with large sample size and good statistical controls would be more persuasive. Hence the suggestion to look outside the US.

Even a single school with appropriate academics would preclude a solution as statistic as moving outside the US solely for education. This debate was never about averages, but rather if academic rigor is available in the US or if families seeking it need to leave.

That really isn't how it works. Sorry.

For a single school, there is no way to disentangle the woke curriculum from what wealthy parents are doing with tutors or many other factors that would confound any potential conclusions. Need a large sample with differing HHI, differing ethnicity, and many other controls to determine whether the curriculum is good, bad, or somewhere in between.

This goes for every other country too - PISA doesn't control for those factors you mentioned. If this is your standard, then it's impossible to say if any country's education system is worse than another's.

PISA has large samples in each country and also has good controls (except in China). So their results are meaningful about comparing educational attainment.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. The case in favor of woke curricula would be stronger if the examples of top schools that include woke were outside the US rather than inside the US.

How so?

US PISA scores - which are objective knowledge tests - are so much lower than than many other countries. The case would be stronger if one showed that schools with woke curricula performed well in a country where PISA scores are strong across the board.

My point is that woke curricula =/= poor academics. The existence of an entire class of elite private schools with woke curricula and elite academics proves my point. PISA averages don't really matter since PP is not an average American and average schools were never on the table in this conversation to begin with.

I don't have an opinion either way about woke curricula.

However, I do care about statistics. A sample of only 5-20 schools simply is not credible evidence to support any claim either way. Pointing to a broadly used curriculum - impossible in the US due to many local school boards each operating independently - with large sample size and good statistical controls would be more persuasive. Hence the suggestion to look outside the US.

Even a single school with appropriate academics would preclude a solution as statistic as moving outside the US solely for education. This debate was never about averages, but rather if academic rigor is available in the US or if families seeking it need to leave.

That really isn't how it works. Sorry.

For a single school, there is no way to disentangle the woke curriculum from what wealthy parents are doing with tutors or many other factors that would confound any potential conclusions. Need a large sample with differing HHI, differing ethnicity, and many other controls to determine whether the curriculum is good, bad, or somewhere in between.

This goes for every other country too - PISA doesn't control for those factors you mentioned. If this is your standard, then it's impossible to say if any country's education system is worse than another's.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. The case in favor of woke curricula would be stronger if the examples of top schools that include woke were outside the US rather than inside the US.

How so?

US PISA scores - which are objective knowledge tests - are so much lower than than many other countries. The case would be stronger if one showed that schools with woke curricula performed well in a country where PISA scores are strong across the board.

My point is that woke curricula =/= poor academics. The existence of an entire class of elite private schools with woke curricula and elite academics proves my point. PISA averages don't really matter since PP is not an average American and average schools were never on the table in this conversation to begin with.

I don't have an opinion either way about woke curricula.

However, I do care about statistics. A sample of only 5-20 schools simply is not credible evidence to support any claim either way. Pointing to a broadly used curriculum - impossible in the US due to many local school boards each operating independently - with large sample size and good statistical controls would be more persuasive. Hence the suggestion to look outside the US.

Even a single school with appropriate academics would preclude a solution as statistic as moving outside the US solely for education. This debate was never about averages, but rather if academic rigor is available in the US or if families seeking it need to leave.

That really isn't how it works. Sorry.

For a single school, there is no way to disentangle the woke curriculum from what wealthy parents are doing with tutors or many other factors that would confound any potential conclusions. Need a large sample with differing HHI, differing ethnicity, and many other controls to determine whether the curriculum is good, bad, or somewhere in between.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. The case in favor of woke curricula would be stronger if the examples of top schools that include woke were outside the US rather than inside the US.

How so?

US PISA scores - which are objective knowledge tests - are so much lower than than many other countries. The case would be stronger if one showed that schools with woke curricula performed well in a country where PISA scores are strong across the board.

My point is that woke curricula =/= poor academics. The existence of an entire class of elite private schools with woke curricula and elite academics proves my point. PISA averages don't really matter since PP is not an average American and average schools were never on the table in this conversation to begin with.

I don't have an opinion either way about woke curricula.

However, I do care about statistics. A sample of only 5-20 schools simply is not credible evidence to support any claim either way. Pointing to a broadly used curriculum - impossible in the US due to many local school boards each operating independently - with large sample size and good statistical controls would be more persuasive. Hence the suggestion to look outside the US.

Even a single school with appropriate academics would preclude a solution as statistic as moving outside the US solely for education. This debate was never about averages, but rather if academic rigor is available in the US or if families seeking it need to leave.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Glad to see they are bringing it back and that the idiocy of not having it did not spread far and wide. VA was on track to do something similar but thankfully did not.

No, it wasn’t.

Is that not what VMPI was?

No it wasn't. That has been debunked a dozen times on this forum.

+1 million

Facts:

> VMPI never proposed eliminating algebra in middle school.

> Calculus/IB were always included as a pathway.

People with a political agenda have been pushing lies about this forever.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. The case in favor of woke curricula would be stronger if the examples of top schools that include woke were outside the US rather than inside the US.

How so?

US PISA scores - which are objective knowledge tests - are so much lower than than many other countries. The case would be stronger if one showed that schools with woke curricula performed well in a country where PISA scores are strong across the board.

My point is that woke curricula =/= poor academics. The existence of an entire class of elite private schools with woke curricula and elite academics proves my point. PISA averages don't really matter since PP is not an average American and average schools were never on the table in this conversation to begin with.

I don't have an opinion either way about woke curricula.

However, I do care about statistics. A sample of only 5-20 schools simply is not credible evidence to support any claim either way. Pointing to a broadly used curriculum - impossible in the US due to many local school boards each operating independently - with large sample size and good statistical controls would be more persuasive. Hence the suggestion to look outside the US.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. The case in favor of woke curricula would be stronger if the examples of top schools that include woke were outside the US rather than inside the US.

How so?

US PISA scores - which are objective knowledge tests - are so much lower than than many other countries. The case would be stronger if one showed that schools with woke curricula performed well in a country where PISA scores are strong across the board.

My point is that woke curricula =/= poor academics. The existence of an entire class of elite private schools with woke curricula and elite academics proves my point. PISA averages don't really matter since PP is not an average American and average schools were never on the table in this conversation to begin with.