Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Is this child lesser than other kids in the family as you keep referring to her as the adoptive daughter vs. daughter.
PP. I am a friend. I am writing for clarity in this forum. My friend has only two children, both adopted from the U.S. as babies during the 2010s. They are called son and daughter. One from a closed adoption and one from an open adoption. The extended family is a warm one. There is no discrimination.
So, you use others as a talking point with no real experience. No one needs your third hand knowledge.
You are right. These third hand knowledge stories are nothing but hurtful gossip.
Sometimes the adoption agency closes the adoption. They do this by telling the family that the birth mom doesn’t want contact while at the same time telling the birth mom that the adoptive parents are not open to more contact.
Sometimes the birth families don’t want contact.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Well, your are inserting your perception of a what a mother should be, and that is the problem. The birth mother apparently slept with more than one man,so you think she is irresponsible.
The "affording thing"- that is the whole problem with adoption i.e, white and/ or rich people should take kids from poor people. That's the whole thing.
She chose the latest child to adopt our because she had no where to live v
She may not have kept up as it was painful.
So, according to you, she's a slut with no money and no place to live, so let the married rich people have the baby. Yeah, this is what we are trying to change the paradigm from.
Did you ever read " Little Fires Everywhere"? Not the movie, poor interpretation of it, but the book. That should explain a lot.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Is this child lesser than other kids in the family as you keep referring to her as the adoptive daughter vs. daughter.
PP. I am a friend. I am writing for clarity in this forum. My friend has only two children, both adopted from the U.S. as babies during the 2010s. They are called son and daughter. One from a closed adoption and one from an open adoption. The extended family is a warm one. There is no discrimination.
So, you use others as a talking point with no real experience. No one needs your third hand knowledge.
You are right. These third hand knowledge stories are nothing but hurtful gossip.
Sometimes the adoption agency closes the adoption. They do this by telling the family that the birth mom doesn’t want contact while at the same time telling the birth mom that the adoptive parents are not open to more contact.
Sometimes the birth families don’t want contact.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Is this child lesser than other kids in the family as you keep referring to her as the adoptive daughter vs. daughter.
PP. I am a friend. I am writing for clarity in this forum. My friend has only two children, both adopted from the U.S. as babies during the 2010s. They are called son and daughter. One from a closed adoption and one from an open adoption. The extended family is a warm one. There is no discrimination.
So, you use others as a talking point with no real experience. No one needs your third hand knowledge.
You are right. These third hand knowledge stories are nothing but hurtful gossip.
Sometimes the adoption agency closes the adoption. They do this by telling the family that the birth mom doesn’t want contact while at the same time telling the birth mom that the adoptive parents are not open to more contact.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Is this child lesser than other kids in the family as you keep referring to her as the adoptive daughter vs. daughter.
PP. I am a friend. I am writing for clarity in this forum. My friend has only two children, both adopted from the U.S. as babies during the 2010s. They are called son and daughter. One from a closed adoption and one from an open adoption. The extended family is a warm one. There is no discrimination.
So, you use others as a talking point with no real experience. No one needs your third hand knowledge.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Is this child lesser than other kids in the family as you keep referring to her as the adoptive daughter vs. daughter.
PP. I am a friend. I am writing for clarity in this forum. My friend has only two children, both adopted from the U.S. as babies during the 2010s. They are called son and daughter. One from a closed adoption and one from an open adoption. The extended family is a warm one. There is no discrimination.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Is this child lesser than other kids in the family as you keep referring to her as the adoptive daughter vs. daughter.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Is this child lesser than other kids in the family as you keep referring to her as the adoptive daughter vs. daughter.
Oh please. This is a thread about children who have been adopted. The PP is just trying to be clear about birth mom vs. adoptive mom, etc. Though I will say I find the language policing a little discordant. Would you tell an adoptee that they are treating their adoptive mother as "lesser" when they distinguish between their adoptive mother and their birth mother, and insist that they should always refer to her simply as their mother no matter the context of the conversation.
Anonymous wrote:
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Is this child lesser than other kids in the family as you keep referring to her as the adoptive daughter vs. daughter.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
I realize adopted kids have a lot of trauma to process. But as an outsider, I have to say that birth parents often seem pretty irresponsible by societal standards in a way that "resources" wouldn't help.
My good friend is an adoptive mother. Her adoptive daughter's birth mother literally did not know which man she had dated was the father of her baby. Birth mom picked my friend to get a biracial adoptive parent because she thought the baby was going to be biracial (didn't turn out that way). Also, the birth mom had two older daughters with an ex-husband. Birth grandma told birth mom they couldn't handle/afford another kid. So birth mom open adopted her 3rd. My friend tries to keep in touch but after the first three years or so, birth mom doesn't respond.
So....
-birth mom doesn't know the father
-birth mom can't afford a kid
-birth mom chose differently between her children (I think that's the most f'ed up)
-birth mom did open adoption and then doesn't keep in touch
There's a lot in those decisions that could have been different if birth mom had been more responsible. It's not just a question of giving cash.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
I am not bitter. This something you have to realize is the entire paradigm shift.
What you call "responsible" says it all, we spend more time and money helping infertile couples get a baby than we do helping birth parents keep their baby. Adoptive parents aren't the winners because they view the birth parents as irresponsible. You are assuming that the birth parents aren't going to be loving.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I also have an issue with the idea of " she gave her up but I raised her. " We are loooong past this paradigm. No one gives up a child because they wanted to. They had to, and there are numerous reasons. The adoptive parents aren't saviors.
You sound bitter.
Most birth parents who make an adoption plan are not in a position to care for a baby at that time.
That is not the baby’s fault or the adoptive parents.’
Adoptive parents are not saviors, but they can play a vital role for an innocent and helpless baby who needs responsible, loving adults to care for him/her. The result can be beautiful and a win-win for both.
Most adopt for their needs and wants, not the child’s.
Adoption is about finding the best possible parents for a particular baby.
I call op a con. There is no way an adoptive parent is this ignorant. All have to go through pre adoption counseling