Anonymous wrote:I have it with US bread. There is something terrible in the wheat or the way bread is made. Now, I stick to imported flour and make my own bread.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not in OP's head. Food quality is better in Europe, period. Go find all the posts from people who went to Europe on vacation, ate a ton, and still lost weight. It's not just the walking -- it's the food.

It does not matter how much you spend here or whether you buy all organic, you can't buy your way out of our messed up food system. My relatives own a "certified organic" farm and talk about how pesticides and hybridized seeds blow in from neighboring farms all the time.

Anecdotes do not equal data. You should know better.

Lots of anecdotes, collected in a systematic way, and analyzed do, indeed, equal data. What exactly do you think is meant by “data”?
Data is information. How you understand and extrapolate from data depends on the quality of the data.

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Anonymous wrote:I have it with US bread. There is something terrible in the wheat or the way bread is made. Now, I stick to imported flour and make my own bread.

Eye roll

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Anonymous wrote:It's not in OP's head. Food quality is better in Europe, period. Go find all the posts from people who went to Europe on vacation, ate a ton, and still lost weight. It's not just the walking -- it's the food.

It does not matter how much you spend here or whether you buy all organic, you can't buy your way out of our messed up food system. My relatives own a "certified organic" farm and talk about how pesticides and hybridized seeds blow in from neighboring farms all the time.

Anecdotes do not equal data. You should know better.

Anonymous wrote:It's not in OP's head. Food quality is better in Europe, period. Go find all the posts from people who went to Europe on vacation, ate a ton, and still lost weight. It's not just the walking -- it's the food.

It does not matter how much you spend here or whether you buy all organic, you can't buy your way out of our messed up food system. My relatives own a "certified organic" farm and talk about how pesticides and hybridized seeds blow in from neighboring farms all the time.

Anonymous wrote:It's not in OP's head. Food quality is better in Europe, period. Go find all the posts from people who went to Europe on vacation, ate a ton, and still lost weight. It's not just the walking -- it's the food.

It does not matter how much you spend here or whether you buy all organic, you can't buy your way out of our messed up food system. My relatives own a "certified organic" farm and talk about how pesticides and hybridized seeds blow in from neighboring farms all the time.

Anonymous wrote:It's not in OP's head. Food quality is better in Europe, period. Go find all the posts from people who went to Europe on vacation, ate a ton, and still lost weight. It's not just the walking -- it's the food.

It does not matter how much you spend here or whether you buy all organic, you can't buy your way out of our messed up food system. My relatives own a "certified organic" farm and talk about how pesticides and hybridized seeds blow in from neighboring farms all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:US wheat processing adds niacin. To stop rickets and other things. EU does not. Many people have sensitivity to niacin. It seems like gluten issues but it's really just that. So they are ok with bread made from imported flour (that's not made explicitly for US market).

"US bread isn't strictly "banned" in Europe, but it's often seen as different due to additives like potassium bromate, azodicarbonamide (ADA), and BHA/BHT, which are restricted or banned in the EU due to health concerns, leading to stricter ingredient lists and different processing methods, and the US uses a harsher pre-harvest drying agent (glyphosate) on wheat, creating a perception of less "clean" bread compared to Europe's focus on traditional methods and additives."

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Anonymous wrote:I have it with US bread. There is something terrible in the wheat or the way bread is made. Now, I stick to imported flour and make my own bread.

Eye roll

I don’t see why.

DP. Because it doensn't make sense. The PP is lumping all "US bread" into the same category, and appears to be blaming the wheat supply for the problem (thus her decision to import her flour from other countries). This is ludicrous because "US bread" encompasses a vast range of bread from ultraprocessed commercial bread loaded with preservatives in order to be shelf stable for months, to the relatively low processed whole grain loaf you can buy from a local bakery the day it was made using high quality ingredients (including wheat from a US mill). The PP claims that both of these would make her equally sick, but somehow the problem is solved by importing wheat from another country (unspecified -- there are countries with a good wheat supply and others I would assume to be inferior quality to the US) and baking her own bread. The other ingredients are presumably American.

Choosing to avoid breads with preservatives or enriched dough makes sense -- regardless of which country the ingredients come from, these breads have added ingredients that could in fact impact your health. And highly processed breads have less nutritional content in general. But there is ZERO reason to think it's due to US wheat (which would include both ultra processed flour from factory mills and small batch stone milled heritage flour from something like Hayden Flour Mills, plus your standard King Arthur or Bob's Red Mill which are both considered high quality even though they are from high-volume suppliers) or that wheat in other countries would be better. It's just a totally baseless theory.

It's annoying because people make claims like this all the time and it's often just based on paranoia, classism, and narcissism. US food supply has serious issues, but that doesn't mean the US doesn't have high quality food (there are more and better healthy food options in the US than in most of the world, we are spoiled for healthy food availability) or that food from literally any other country is automatically healthier (in many cases it is more likely to be contaminated, loaded with preservatives, or otherwise bad for you). The issue in the US is that we don't regulate the food industry very well and our regulation is designed for the benefit of a handful of huge corporations but not for smaller farmers or manufacturers, and definitely not for consumers.

That doesn't mean the "US bread" is slowly poisoning you.