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Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

It's hard. The percentage is high compared to the overall RD rate, but the less-strong applicants from ED have already been filtered out, so it's 10% of a relatively strong group. Good luck.

You don't mention the stronger ED applicants also have been removed (accepted).

That is why PP said relatively strong. The accepted ED kids are not competing with the deferred ones for a spot, it is irrelevant.

The deferred kids are not competing with the deferred kids. They are re-evaluated in the RD pool, i.e., competing with everyone in the RD. Whether or not the deferral pool comprises "relatively strong" from ED is totally irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Do we think that the AOs during the RD round are comparing the RD candidates to candidates who have already been accepted ED? Like, comparing their stats or rigor or awards or things like that?

Slate can show them admitted kid "Stats" from the same HS. Its just a pop up screen.

They’re all together in the class-building stage. The kids who were admitted early have protected status, but they’re all evaluated together when the director of admissions is determining that they have enough kids with 1540+, enough boys, enough English majors, enough kids from Iowa, etc.

Agree. They are all together now (good reddit post today with various AO weighing in). But they will have have Slate on their screens too. Labels can help too - if a kid from a HS is an "academic standout" or an "undersubscribed major" all matters in RD.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

It's hard. The percentage is high compared to the overall RD rate, but the less-strong applicants from ED have already been filtered out, so it's 10% of a relatively strong group. Good luck.

You don't mention the stronger ED applicants also have been removed (accepted).

That is why PP said relatively strong. The accepted ED kids are not competing with the deferred ones for a spot, it is irrelevant.

The deferred kids are not competing with the deferred kids. They are re-evaluated in the RD pool, i.e., competing with everyone in the RD. Whether or not the deferral pool comprises "relatively strong" from ED is totally irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Do we think that the AOs during the RD round are comparing the RD candidates to candidates who have already been accepted ED? Like, comparing their stats or rigor or awards or things like that?

Slate can show them admitted kid "Stats" from the same HS. Its just a pop up screen.

They’re all together in the class-building stage. The kids who were admitted early have protected status, but they’re all evaluated together when the director of admissions is determining that they have enough kids with 1540+, enough boys, enough English majors, enough kids from Iowa, etc.

lol I hope this really is one of the class shaping tools. But it kinda makes sense that they do this.

Watch that Hoffman guys videos. It literally shows why admitting multiple 1490 in RD will screw averages......

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

It's hard. The percentage is high compared to the overall RD rate, but the less-strong applicants from ED have already been filtered out, so it's 10% of a relatively strong group. Good luck.

You don't mention the stronger ED applicants also have been removed (accepted).

That is why PP said relatively strong. The accepted ED kids are not competing with the deferred ones for a spot, it is irrelevant.

The deferred kids are not competing with the deferred kids. They are re-evaluated in the RD pool, i.e., competing with everyone in the RD. Whether or not the deferral pool comprises "relatively strong" from ED is totally irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Do we think that the AOs during the RD round are comparing the RD candidates to candidates who have already been accepted ED? Like, comparing their stats or rigor or awards or things like that?

Slate can show them admitted kid "Stats" from the same HS. Its just a pop up screen.

They’re all together in the class-building stage. The kids who were admitted early have protected status, but they’re all evaluated together when the director of admissions is determining that they have enough kids with 1540+, enough boys, enough English majors, enough kids from Iowa, etc.

lol I hope this really is one of the class shaping tools. But it kinda makes sense that they do this.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

It's hard. The percentage is high compared to the overall RD rate, but the less-strong applicants from ED have already been filtered out, so it's 10% of a relatively strong group. Good luck.

You don't mention the stronger ED applicants also have been removed (accepted).

That is why PP said relatively strong. The accepted ED kids are not competing with the deferred ones for a spot, it is irrelevant.

The deferred kids are not competing with the deferred kids. They are re-evaluated in the RD pool, i.e., competing with everyone in the RD. Whether or not the deferral pool comprises "relatively strong" from ED is totally irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Do we think that the AOs during the RD round are comparing the RD candidates to candidates who have already been accepted ED? Like, comparing their stats or rigor or awards or things like that?

Slate can show them admitted kid "Stats" from the same HS. Its just a pop up screen.

They’re all together in the class-building stage. The kids who were admitted early have protected status, but they’re all evaluated together when the director of admissions is determining that they have enough kids with 1540+, enough boys, enough English majors, enough kids from Iowa, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

It's hard. The percentage is high compared to the overall RD rate, but the less-strong applicants from ED have already been filtered out, so it's 10% of a relatively strong group. Good luck.

You don't mention the stronger ED applicants also have been removed (accepted).

That is why PP said relatively strong. The accepted ED kids are not competing with the deferred ones for a spot, it is irrelevant.

The deferred kids are not competing with the deferred kids. They are re-evaluated in the RD pool, i.e., competing with everyone in the RD. Whether or not the deferral pool comprises "relatively strong" from ED is totally irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Do we think that the AOs during the RD round are comparing the RD candidates to candidates who have already been accepted ED? Like, comparing their stats or rigor or awards or things like that?

Slate can show them admitted kid "Stats" from the same HS. Its just a pop up screen.

My kid was deferred, and ultimately rejected, from his top choice school. The deferral was hard, it just sucks to be stuck in limbo.

And of course he was upset when he eventually got the not-admitted letter. Months and months of waiting with hopes up...

Thankfully he had several other good admits. Going to visit those admits in person for their admitted students days was huge in helping him get over the rejection. Ended up falling in love with a school that kind of surprised all of us, including him. He's a student there now and loves it. Actually said over this last break that he's kind of glad he didn't get in to the top choice, as it would have been a totally different experience and he's just so happy now that he's really glad to be where he is.

Give your kid space to process feelings, but also help them look at the good options they have. Something will stick.

Atm, we just assume we won't get into the deferred school and buying swags to get exciting about our current options.

This seems to have helped.

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Anonymous wrote:Totally normal. A few months from now, all will be forgotten and you and your DC will be focusing on college move in!

It is actually not normal.

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Not normal IF it’s been awhile and still can’t bounce back. If some of this is new and/or what was represented will likely happen isn’t happening (counselor said kid will very likely get into x, for example, and that fell through) and/or kid worked hard for 4 years towards y and now realizes that hope is likely gone…then it is normal to take a little time.

these things can take a little time to adjust but start looking at the positives if where the kids may go.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

It's hard. The percentage is high compared to the overall RD rate, but the less-strong applicants from ED have already been filtered out, so it's 10% of a relatively strong group. Good luck.

You don't mention the stronger ED applicants also have been removed (accepted).

That is why PP said relatively strong. The accepted ED kids are not competing with the deferred ones for a spot, it is irrelevant.

The deferred kids are not competing with the deferred kids. They are re-evaluated in the RD pool, i.e., competing with everyone in the RD. Whether or not the deferral pool comprises "relatively strong" from ED is totally irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Do we think that the AOs during the RD round are comparing the RD candidates to candidates who have already been accepted ED? Like, comparing their stats or rigor or awards or things like that?

Anonymous wrote:NP. Last year Duke accepted 10% of ED deferrals. That's higher than their RD admit rate, but still my deferred DC is not optimistic. We'll know in 2-3 weeks. Trying to move on before then has been hard for them.

My kid was deferred Duke ED as well. We are hoping for good news in RD as well.

If you can't be with the one you love,
Love the one you're with.

I wanted to guess it is again the upper middle class only problems. They are the one fighting the smallest pie but investing the most in this process.

Anonymous wrote:Totally normal. A few months from now, all will be forgotten and you and your DC will be focusing on college move in!

It is actually not normal.

Anonymous wrote:But I just feel incredibly sad since the top school of my DC said deferred. We've already followed with pertinent steps, and are waiting a decision. Also have other options. I know there are worse problems in the world and should consider myself lucky that this is our problem. Still, can't get out of this negative spiral. Feel totally bummed. Yes, maybe I'm also a snowflake.

Not normal or healthy. For any of you.

It’s really distasteful that even college admissions—along with politics—is tearing our communities apart. Why does it have to be this way? Everything seems like a zero-sum game: college, jobs, wealth—one person’s gain seen as another’s loss. Really hopeless.