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Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Maybe grades shouldn’t be where we place our trophies in the first place?

So what? Money? Yes there are still some umc to squeeze the last drop of money until every dies. Raise tuition to get more A.

We’re talking about college. Grades had nothing to do with any of my departmental awards back then. Grades were just the evaluations the college forced faculty to provide to students. Our awards came from excellent research, student involvement, or exceptional papers, not how well we crammed Statistical Mechanics the night before our exam.

Ok. So participation awards? AI fabricated papers?

You don’t think people deserve awards for being good researchers and writers in an academic department?

When Chinese universities rank higher than US institutes in research papers people call that fake and copy/paste
Should they deserve to be better?

Sure. Ignorant people have always existed. Hadn’t stopped the rest of us from researching on a non-flat planet, nor does it mean we stop vaccinating.

If it truly helps students learn and schools can ensure the work is authentic. Otherwise, it simply becomes an easier way to cheat.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think of Princeton as having a grind reputation.

STEM is a grind at Princeton

STEM is a grind anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Maybe grades shouldn’t be where we place our trophies in the first place?

So what? Money? Yes there are still some umc to squeeze the last drop of money until every dies. Raise tuition to get more A.

We’re talking about college. Grades had nothing to do with any of my departmental awards back then. Grades were just the evaluations the college forced faculty to provide to students. Our awards came from excellent research, student involvement, or exceptional papers, not how well we crammed Statistical Mechanics the night before our exam.

Ok. So participation awards? AI fabricated papers?

You don’t think people deserve awards for being good researchers and writers in an academic department?

When Chinese universities rank higher than US institutes in research papers people call that fake and copy/paste
Should they deserve to be better?

Sure. Ignorant people have always existed. Hadn’t stopped the rest of us from researching on a non-flat planet, nor does it mean we stop vaccinating.

When schools market themselves as “prestigious” and highlight the fun, social scene, and Greek life as major selling points, what exactly are they promoting? If students aren’t encouraged to put in real effort, how can they expect to earn respect later on? Is “prestige” supposed to stand for academic excellence and knowledge—or just an expensive social experience?

I understand the desire for better work–life balance. That makes sense. But do employers actually view it the same way? Do they prioritize candidates who openly emphasize work–life balance, or are they still expecting people to return to the office and be available around the clock? The reality of hiring often seems very different from the messaging.

So what role are higher education institutions really serving? Are they catering to the wealthy, who may not need to rely on a job after graduation? Or are they meant to support middle-class students who are trying to advance through hard work and merit? It is super annoying to hear people complain about grinding but want the name. What is the name for if you don't put in efforts.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Maybe grades shouldn’t be where we place our trophies in the first place?

So what? Money? Yes there are still some umc to squeeze the last drop of money until every dies. Raise tuition to get more A.

We’re talking about college. Grades had nothing to do with any of my departmental awards back then. Grades were just the evaluations the college forced faculty to provide to students. Our awards came from excellent research, student involvement, or exceptional papers, not how well we crammed Statistical Mechanics the night before our exam.

Ok. So participation awards? AI fabricated papers?

You don’t think people deserve awards for being good researchers and writers in an academic department?

When Chinese universities rank higher than US institutes in research papers people call that fake and copy/paste
Should they deserve to be better?

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Because they “cheated” in by writing “cool” essays but don’t have the ability or intelligence to handle rigor.

Wow. What an ugly person you are.

Grade deflation is real and so is the difference in workload. Back in my day, Swarthmore was known as *the* grind school. So much so that it had a Wall Street Journal article written up about it. We had a teacher visiting from Harvard who assigned 1/3 the workload of a usual Swat class.

That said, it is true that rampant grade inflation in high school means many students are not prepared for college. For elite schools, SATs and APs will mostly screen out kids who are really unprepared, except when schools admitted students test optional and found that grades alone really aren’t predictive of college performance. How can they be when so many high schools don’t teach kids to read and analyze a full book?

This is why so many schools are going back to requiring testing. It’s the only reliable way to sort out the grade inflation and compare between high school schools.

Truth hurts.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Maybe grades shouldn’t be where we place our trophies in the first place?

So what? Money? Yes there are still some umc to squeeze the last drop of money until every dies. Raise tuition to get more A.

We’re talking about college. Grades had nothing to do with any of my departmental awards back then. Grades were just the evaluations the college forced faculty to provide to students. Our awards came from excellent research, student involvement, or exceptional papers, not how well we crammed Statistical Mechanics the night before our exam.

Ok. So participation awards? AI fabricated papers?

You don’t think people deserve awards for being good researchers and writers in an academic department?

Oops no no no. Hire a consultant to do all the work. Who cares about to study or work. That's for poor people.

Get an Easy A, continue coasting in the med schools, publish lot of AI papers, become an influencer talk about how glamorous and prestigious life like. This will make more money. Easier short cut, my friends.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think of Princeton as having a grind reputation.

STEM is a grind at Princeton

Anonymous wrote:I am interested in the answer to the original question. Would appreciate more anecdotes from those with current experience of these schools.

Go to other "prestigious" rich schools with grade inflation. That works better for people who don't want to work.

I don't think of Princeton as having a grind reputation.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Maybe grades shouldn’t be where we place our trophies in the first place?

So what? Money? Yes there are still some umc to squeeze the last drop of money until every dies. Raise tuition to get more A.

We’re talking about college. Grades had nothing to do with any of my departmental awards back then. Grades were just the evaluations the college forced faculty to provide to students. Our awards came from excellent research, student involvement, or exceptional papers, not how well we crammed Statistical Mechanics the night before our exam.

Ok. So participation awards? AI fabricated papers?

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't students study and get evaluated "properly"? Why is it called "grind"? It is called learning and evaluating.

Not everyone deserves a trophy. Studying or get out of the school to do something more meaningful to your life.

Did you get a trophy in writing? The question marks belong inside the quotation marks.

Op, Hopkins, STEM, a grind.

Sorry, you're wrong. If I quote your question with a question mark, then yes: PP asked, "Did you get a trophy in writing?"

But in the examples above, the question mark is not part of the quote (or scare quote). Therefore, it goes outside.

I am interested in the answer to the original question. Would appreciate more anecdotes from those with current experience of these schools.