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Anonymous wrote:This is the logical evolution of the college and even youth sports industrial complex? Why are you so surprised and upset? System not working for you anymore?

NP but I think the evolution is that your "college teams" is just a band of international players playing against another band of international players. We want that in the pros, the world cup or the olympics. Not here in colleges.

Sure it seemed like a good idea to get the wins and follow the money but now it is out of control (like capitalism in general) and needs rules. If the rules are successful then there will be loopholes, and we will need to close the loopholes.

But, with NIL and the portal, the teams are college teams in name only. There is no loyalty to the school. And maybe there shouldn’t be since it’s all about the money and both the schools and the players want theirs.

So why pretend these are college sports at all?

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re upset international students are taking spots for soccer from US kids but weren’t upset that for many years they’ve been taking academic spots from US kids. Have you been asleep for the past 15-20 years or more? Or you only care about this issue when it comes to your kid? Or soccer?

Most people are saying that it is fine to have some percentage of international students on a team, that is not the issue. It's when a large percentage of the team (and in this case the whole team) is international. I've never seen any academic program accept 100% of their students internationally.

I thought it was about who is the best player?

And soccer is not an academic program. You can’t major in soccer.

I guess that special admissions hook isn’t enough? The playing field is suddenly not level?

Anonymous wrote:This is the logical evolution of the college and even youth sports industrial complex? Why are you so surprised and upset? System not working for you anymore?

NP but I think the evolution is that your "college teams" is just a band of international players playing against another band of international players. We want that in the pros, the world cup or the olympics. Not here in colleges.

Sure it seemed like a good idea to get the wins and follow the money but now it is out of control (like capitalism in general) and needs rules. If the rules are successful then there will be loopholes, and we will need to close the loopholes.

Anonymous wrote:So you’re upset international students are taking spots for soccer from US kids but weren’t upset that for many years they’ve been taking academic spots from US kids. Have you been asleep for the past 15-20 years or more? Or you only care about this issue when it comes to your kid? Or soccer?

Most people are saying that it is fine to have some percentage of international students on a team, that is not the issue. It's when a large percentage of the team (and in this case the whole team) is international. I've never seen any academic program accept 100% of their students internationally.

Anonymous wrote:This has absolutely nothing to do with "open borders", but recent topic expert is here to stir some s**t up

Truth hurts, did I strike a nerve. And yes, have a 2013B on a NOVA club. Sorry, nice try though.

Anonymous wrote:So you’re upset international students are taking spots for soccer from US kids but weren’t upset that for many years they’ve been taking academic spots from US kids. Have you been asleep for the past 15-20 years or more? Or you only care about this issue when it comes to your kid? Or soccer?

International students make up about 6% of all college students. They pay out of state tuition and allow domestic students to be exposed to other cultures. It's a win/win situation. I don't see the problem you're describing. There might be some programs within some schools that have a very high proportion of international students and do not admit US students. I would be against that. But that is not the norm across US colleges.

So you’re upset international students are taking spots for soccer from US kids but weren’t upset that for many years they’ve been taking academic spots from US kids. Have you been asleep for the past 15-20 years or more? Or you only care about this issue when it comes to your kid? Or soccer?

Glad the public in Missouri is supporting this university… I’m sure this is what they envisioned for their community.

I’m sure there are No kids at Scott Gallagher who wanted a free education.

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Anonymous wrote:Open borders except when it affects my kids chance to play non scholarship soccer. Cut off the colleges money, pass laws that advantage my kids, quotas to make it “fair”. Do you people hear yourselves.

Almost every professional league in the world has some kind of homegrown rule to protect development of their academy players. Why is it unreasonable to expect that public schools, funded by tax payer money, have some rules to promote and give preference to people from their state?

NP. And this could be said of every aspect of immigrants getting services over our own poor.

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Anonymous wrote:Wash U won this year with pretty much all US kids and many from Washington which is good.

FYI: Wash U is the abbreviation for the University of Washington in Saint Louis

Sorry. U of Washington. Huskies.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Maybe they will graduate and stay in the US and coach our Club teams. Then WE can field better developed players.

If these kids were superstars they'd be in their home countries playing professionally at some level. Believe it.

But they are better than the US kids?

The average roster age for men's D1 soccer is 21-22 years old. Yes, a 23 year old who was developed in a European Academy but is not good enough to play in Europe's top leagues is way better than the average 18 year old who played for Arlington.

The oldest 30 players who played a game in D1 soccer from 2023 to 2025 range in age from 24 to 27 years old. None of them were from the US. If you think that college sports and in particular men's soccer should be a free market regardless of age or country of origin for players, I guess that's your choice. But then that's just another professional league. Many of us think that college rosters should have some rules about roster composition.

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Anonymous wrote:They have a point.

Agreed.

+1

Anonymous wrote:They have a point.

Agreed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Maybe they will graduate and stay in the US and coach our Club teams. Then WE can field better developed players.

If these kids were superstars they'd be in their home countries playing professionally at some level. Believe it.

But they are better than the US kids?

Possibly better than kids who wish to attend Missouri State University to play soccer. I'd suspect a number of kids maybe would prefer to play down a division at a "better" school or not play at all.

They have a point.