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Anonymous wrote:Is it an easier admit than Harvard?

Let’s put it this way.

Top student from UK, often 30% chance, depending on field

Top US student (unhooked) at Harvard? I’d give it 2%.

Oxbridge for an American student is lower, but way higher than 2%!

Acceptance rate for academic 2s is 12%.

Where is this information from? That lawsuit?

Not sure of the criteria for a Harvard academic 2. If it's near perfect stats with top rigor and great recommendations, but no national awards, that sounds like the criteria for Oxford. Oxford is still an easier admit, and likely takes more than 12% of such applicants in most subjects.

FYI, for Oxbridge major really really matters. Being accepted to study modern languages is not remotely like being accepted for medicine or PPE.

The acceptance rates for Americans at Oxford are a fraction of the overall acceptance rates across majors. Oxford publishes detailed statistics, and you can find the numbers there. Singapore has the highest acceptance rate among foreign countries. China’s is twice as high as for US.

Oxford is prejudiced against US applicants bc they are much less likely to yield than students from all other countries. Most of the candidates they want to admit will also have other offers from US T10s, and even with an offer from Oxford, tend to choose the Ivy League. This is particularly true now that Oxford pegs tuition for international students to US Ivy levels.

Why would Oxford care about yield? They have no incentive to not make an offer even if it's likely the student will turn them down, since Oxford doesn't lose anything in that case.

Oxford has no waitlist; almost every UK student and non-American international student who gets an offer turns up for the first term. They don't have a waitlist bc they don't need a waitlist.

Americans with competing offers from Harvard and Stanford are the exceptions -- they often choose to stay in the US. Oxford tutors don't like that, not because they are worried about how the yield rate will affect the university's interest rates, but because having unfilled places is something tutors want to avoid:

https://www.reddit.com/r/oxforduni/comments/1e6cfr1/ama_i_did_ppe_admissions_for_5_years/

Why tutors are opposed to leaving empty places, I don't know. I'd guess that there's some kind of internal accounting involved that gives tutors an incentive to have butts in each and every seat.

The end result is that top American students seem to be disadvantage in Oxford admissions. There seems to be no credible way for such students to signal that Oxford it their first choice rather than a backup for Harvard.

This is the comment where they mention the American disadvantage: https://www.reddit.com/r/oxforduni/comments/1e6cfr1/comment/ldtu0mz/

I wonder if they disadvantage the strongest applicants more than others since those are the most likely to lead to unfilled seats.

Oxford does have the winter pool - they could give US applicants a December deadline to commit or not so they can fill the spots with students from the winter pool.

Oxford does not require any students to commit (to accept an offer)

The Oxford pool happens in December, simultaneous with interviewing at the student's first choice college. Offers come out in January for all students. They interview students for admission the following October. I've never heard of an undergraduate student starting during the term that starts in January.

Since most offers are conditional on A level results, there's not much pressure to commit. My kid's offer was conditional on providing documentation of AP scores. Kid got the scores in / committed by May 1, but that was to get an official acceptance and more bc all other US kids were committing by May 1.

As for whether the top US students are disadvantaged bc they are less likely to yield, that doesn't seem plausible. They don't want US students enough to accept second tier candidates as a yield protection strategy. Plenty of others worldwide have Oxford as their first choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it an easier admit than Harvard?

Let’s put it this way.

Top student from UK, often 30% chance, depending on field

Top US student (unhooked) at Harvard? I’d give it 2%.

Oxbridge for an American student is lower, but way higher than 2%!

Acceptance rate for academic 2s is 12%.

Where is this information from? That lawsuit?

Not sure of the criteria for a Harvard academic 2. If it's near perfect stats with top rigor and great recommendations, but no national awards, that sounds like the criteria for Oxford. Oxford is still an easier admit, and likely takes more than 12% of such applicants in most subjects.

FYI, for Oxbridge major really really matters. Being accepted to study modern languages is not remotely like being accepted for medicine or PPE.

The acceptance rates for Americans at Oxford are a fraction of the overall acceptance rates across majors. Oxford publishes detailed statistics, and you can find the numbers there. Singapore has the highest acceptance rate among foreign countries. China’s is twice as high as for US.

Oxford is prejudiced against US applicants bc they are much less likely to yield than students from all other countries. Most of the candidates they want to admit will also have other offers from US T10s, and even with an offer from Oxford, tend to choose the Ivy League. This is particularly true now that Oxford pegs tuition for international students to US Ivy levels.

Why would Oxford care about yield? They have no incentive to not make an offer even if it's likely the student will turn them down, since Oxford doesn't lose anything in that case.

Oxford has no waitlist; almost every UK student and non-American international student who gets an offer turns up for the first term. They don't have a waitlist bc they don't need a waitlist.

Americans with competing offers from Harvard and Stanford are the exceptions -- they often choose to stay in the US. Oxford tutors don't like that, not because they are worried about how the yield rate will affect the university's interest rates, but because having unfilled places is something tutors want to avoid:

https://www.reddit.com/r/oxforduni/comments/1e6cfr1/ama_i_did_ppe_admissions_for_5_years/

Why tutors are opposed to leaving empty places, I don't know. I'd guess that there's some kind of internal accounting involved that gives tutors an incentive to have butts in each and every seat.

The end result is that top American students seem to be disadvantage in Oxford admissions. There seems to be no credible way for such students to signal that Oxford it their first choice rather than a backup for Harvard.

This is the comment where they mention the American disadvantage: https://www.reddit.com/r/oxforduni/comments/1e6cfr1/comment/ldtu0mz/

I wonder if they disadvantage the strongest applicants more than others since those are the most likely to lead to unfilled seats.

Oxford does have the winter pool - they could give US applicants a December deadline to commit or not so they can fill the spots with students from the winter pool.

*AP scores

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Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

And PPE is probably the hardest major for an American to get into.

It is a cliche major and, anyhow, Americans, what is your problem: any college in the United States enables you to double major or take as many courses in those 3 disciplines as you want. It is ironic you would go to the UK to do what America already does best (studying more than one thing)

Go to the UK for a specific subject; that I can understand.

well the kid applied, and was denied, from Yale. and I assume he's applied to more than two schools.

but if options come down to Oxford and Tufts - you Tufts?

No, I would pick Oxford. But a lot of American PPE get rejected when, if they really wanted to go to Oxford, another programme would have been an easier admit and no worse fit.

but if you want to study PPE, there are few better places to study it. Yale might be the other one (although there's is EPE)

Don’t be silly. Every single college in America you can double major in one of the three fields (which is all PPE is), take courses in the other, and suppplement with, say, rel math courses, computer science etc.

No, PPE is not basically the same as double majoring and then taking a few classes in a third discipline. That's why a growing number of U.S. universities are offering it (or variations of it). Plus double majoring can lengthen the time one needs to be at an American university.

Not with the A levels an Oxford-caliber student is likely to have.

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Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

And PPE is probably the hardest major for an American to get into.

It is a cliche major and, anyhow, Americans, what is your problem: any college in the United States enables you to double major or take as many courses in those 3 disciplines as you want. It is ironic you would go to the UK to do what America already does best (studying more than one thing)

Go to the UK for a specific subject; that I can understand.

well the kid applied, and was denied, from Yale. and I assume he's applied to more than two schools.

but if options come down to Oxford and Tufts - you Tufts?

No, I would pick Oxford. But a lot of American PPE get rejected when, if they really wanted to go to Oxford, another programme would have been an easier admit and no worse fit.

but if you want to study PPE, there are few better places to study it. Yale might be the other one (although there's is EPE)

Harvard, UChicago, Georgetown, Hopkins, Columbia-Sciences Po joint program.

PP's point remains, the kid applied to yale and Oxford and, I'm sure, a whole bunch of other schools. if they choice had to made from ACCEPTED spots and those were Oxford and say, the Columbia Sciences Po joint, who wouldn't choose Oxford? It's better and cheaper! Very limited FA for the Columbia two years in that program fwiw, and it's a diploma from the General Studies program. I like it, but Oxford is better and cheaper. I'd choose it over everything you listed except Harvard

All the others give financial aid, though. I'm also unconvinced that Oxford is better.

Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

Ours was admitted to SCEA to HYPS but rejected Cambridge.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it an easier admit than Harvard?

Let’s put it this way.

Top student from UK, often 30% chance, depending on field

Top US student (unhooked) at Harvard? I’d give it 2%.

Oxbridge for an American student is lower, but way higher than 2%!

Acceptance rate for academic 2s is 12%.

Where is this information from? That lawsuit?

Not sure of the criteria for a Harvard academic 2. If it's near perfect stats with top rigor and great recommendations, but no national awards, that sounds like the criteria for Oxford. Oxford is still an easier admit, and likely takes more than 12% of such applicants in most subjects.

FYI, for Oxbridge major really really matters. Being accepted to study modern languages is not remotely like being accepted for medicine or PPE.

The acceptance rates for Americans at Oxford are a fraction of the overall acceptance rates across majors. Oxford publishes detailed statistics, and you can find the numbers there. Singapore has the highest acceptance rate among foreign countries. China’s is twice as high as for US.

Oxford is prejudiced against US applicants bc they are much less likely to yield than students from all other countries. Most of the candidates they want to admit will also have other offers from US T10s, and even with an offer from Oxford, tend to choose the Ivy League. This is particularly true now that Oxford pegs tuition for international students to US Ivy levels.

Why would Oxford care about yield? They have no incentive to not make an offer even if it's likely the student will turn them down, since Oxford doesn't lose anything in that case.

Oxford has no waitlist; almost every UK student and non-American international student who gets an offer turns up for the first term. They don't have a waitlist bc they don't need a waitlist.

Americans with competing offers from Harvard and Stanford are the exceptions -- they often choose to stay in the US. Oxford tutors don't like that, not because they are worried about how the yield rate will affect the university's interest rates, but because having unfilled places is something tutors want to avoid:

https://www.reddit.com/r/oxforduni/comments/1e6cfr1/ama_i_did_ppe_admissions_for_5_years/

Why tutors are opposed to leaving empty places, I don't know. I'd guess that there's some kind of internal accounting involved that gives tutors an incentive to have butts in each and every seat.

The end result is that top American students seem to be disadvantage in Oxford admissions. There seems to be no credible way for such students to signal that Oxford it their first choice rather than a backup for Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

And PPE is probably the hardest major for an American to get into.

It is a cliche major and, anyhow, Americans, what is your problem: any college in the United States enables you to double major or take as many courses in those 3 disciplines as you want. It is ironic you would go to the UK to do what America already does best (studying more than one thing)

Go to the UK for a specific subject; that I can understand.

well the kid applied, and was denied, from Yale. and I assume he's applied to more than two schools.

but if options come down to Oxford and Tufts - you Tufts?

No, I would pick Oxford. But a lot of American PPE get rejected when, if they really wanted to go to Oxford, another programme would have been an easier admit and no worse fit.

but if you want to study PPE, there are few better places to study it. Yale might be the other one (although there's is EPE)

Don’t be silly. Every single college in America you can double major in one of the three fields (which is all PPE is), take courses in the other, and suppplement with, say, rel math courses, computer science etc.

You do realize that PPE was created (as a major) in Oxford, right?

I don't see how this fact refutes the PPs argument

You are correct. OP is just one of those snotty moms here who get a charge out of writing “You do realize …” because it makes them feel superior for five seconds.

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Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

And PPE is probably the hardest major for an American to get into.

It is a cliche major and, anyhow, Americans, what is your problem: any college in the United States enables you to double major or take as many courses in those 3 disciplines as you want. It is ironic you would go to the UK to do what America already does best (studying more than one thing)

Go to the UK for a specific subject; that I can understand.

well the kid applied, and was denied, from Yale. and I assume he's applied to more than two schools.

but if options come down to Oxford and Tufts - you Tufts?

No, I would pick Oxford. But a lot of American PPE get rejected when, if they really wanted to go to Oxford, another programme would have been an easier admit and no worse fit.

but if you want to study PPE, there are few better places to study it. Yale might be the other one (although there's is EPE)

Don’t be silly. Every single college in America you can double major in one of the three fields (which is all PPE is), take courses in the other, and suppplement with, say, rel math courses, computer science etc.

No, PPE is not basically the same as double majoring and then taking a few classes in a third discipline. That's why a growing number of U.S. universities are offering it (or variations of it). Plus double majoring can lengthen the time one needs to be at an American university.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it an easier admit than Harvard?

Let’s put it this way.

Top student from UK, often 30% chance, depending on field

Top US student (unhooked) at Harvard? I’d give it 2%.

Oxbridge for an American student is lower, but way higher than 2%!

Acceptance rate for academic 2s is 12%.

Where is this information from? That lawsuit?

Not sure of the criteria for a Harvard academic 2. If it's near perfect stats with top rigor and great recommendations, but no national awards, that sounds like the criteria for Oxford. Oxford is still an easier admit, and likely takes more than 12% of such applicants in most subjects.

FYI, for Oxbridge major really really matters. Being accepted to study modern languages is not remotely like being accepted for medicine or PPE.

The acceptance rates for Americans at Oxford are a fraction of the overall acceptance rates across majors. Oxford publishes detailed statistics, and you can find the numbers there. Singapore has the highest acceptance rate among foreign countries. China’s is twice as high as for US.

Oxford is prejudiced against US applicants bc they are much less likely to yield than students from all other countries. Most of the candidates they want to admit will also have other offers from US T10s, and even with an offer from Oxford, tend to choose the Ivy League. This is particularly true now that Oxford pegs tuition for international students to US Ivy levels.

Why would Oxford care about yield? They have no incentive to not make an offer even if it's likely the student will turn them down, since Oxford doesn't lose anything in that case.

Maybe USNWR could sweep in a ruin UK university admissions and education as well.

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Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

And PPE is probably the hardest major for an American to get into.

It is a cliche major and, anyhow, Americans, what is your problem: any college in the United States enables you to double major or take as many courses in those 3 disciplines as you want. It is ironic you would go to the UK to do what America already does best (studying more than one thing)

Go to the UK for a specific subject; that I can understand.

well the kid applied, and was denied, from Yale. and I assume he's applied to more than two schools.

but if options come down to Oxford and Tufts - you Tufts?

No, I would pick Oxford. But a lot of American PPE get rejected when, if they really wanted to go to Oxford, another programme would have been an easier admit and no worse fit.

but if you want to study PPE, there are few better places to study it. Yale might be the other one (although there's is EPE)

Harvard, UChicago, Georgetown, Hopkins, Columbia-Sciences Po joint program.

+- and UVA offers PPL (Law)

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Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

And PPE is probably the hardest major for an American to get into.

It is a cliche major and, anyhow, Americans, what is your problem: any college in the United States enables you to double major or take as many courses in those 3 disciplines as you want. It is ironic you would go to the UK to do what America already does best (studying more than one thing)

Go to the UK for a specific subject; that I can understand.

well the kid applied, and was denied, from Yale. and I assume he's applied to more than two schools.

but if options come down to Oxford and Tufts - you Tufts?

No, I would pick Oxford. But a lot of American PPE get rejected when, if they really wanted to go to Oxford, another programme would have been an easier admit and no worse fit.

but if you want to study PPE, there are few better places to study it. Yale might be the other one (although there's is EPE)

Harvard, UChicago, Georgetown, Hopkins, Columbia-Sciences Po joint program.

PP's point remains, the kid applied to yale and Oxford and, I'm sure, a whole bunch of other schools. if they choice had to made from ACCEPTED spots and those were Oxford and say, the Columbia Sciences Po joint, who wouldn't choose Oxford? It's better and cheaper! Very limited FA for the Columbia two years in that program fwiw, and it's a diploma from the General Studies program. I like it, but Oxford is better and cheaper. I'd choose it over everything you listed except Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

And PPE is probably the hardest major for an American to get into.

It is a cliche major and, anyhow, Americans, what is your problem: any college in the United States enables you to double major or take as many courses in those 3 disciplines as you want. It is ironic you would go to the UK to do what America already does best (studying more than one thing)

Go to the UK for a specific subject; that I can understand.

well the kid applied, and was denied, from Yale. and I assume he's applied to more than two schools.

but if options come down to Oxford and Tufts - you Tufts?

No, I would pick Oxford. But a lot of American PPE get rejected when, if they really wanted to go to Oxford, another programme would have been an easier admit and no worse fit.

but if you want to study PPE, there are few better places to study it. Yale might be the other one (although there's is EPE)

Harvard, UChicago, Georgetown, Hopkins, Columbia-Sciences Po joint program.

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Anonymous wrote:DS's bestie was admitted to Oxford PPE and rejected SCEA from Yale. FWIW

And PPE is probably the hardest major for an American to get into.

It is a cliche major and, anyhow, Americans, what is your problem: any college in the United States enables you to double major or take as many courses in those 3 disciplines as you want. It is ironic you would go to the UK to do what America already does best (studying more than one thing)

Go to the UK for a specific subject; that I can understand.

well the kid applied, and was denied, from Yale. and I assume he's applied to more than two schools.

but if options come down to Oxford and Tufts - you Tufts?

No, I would pick Oxford. But a lot of American PPE get rejected when, if they really wanted to go to Oxford, another programme would have been an easier admit and no worse fit.

but if you want to study PPE, there are few better places to study it. Yale might be the other one (although there's is EPE)

Don’t be silly. Every single college in America you can double major in one of the three fields (which is all PPE is), take courses in the other, and suppplement with, say, rel math courses, computer science etc.

You do realize that PPE was created (as a major) in Oxford, right?

I don't see how this fact refutes the PPs argument

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Anonymous wrote:Is it an easier admit than Harvard?

Let’s put it this way.

Top student from UK, often 30% chance, depending on field

Top US student (unhooked) at Harvard? I’d give it 2%.

Oxbridge for an American student is lower, but way higher than 2%!

Acceptance rate for academic 2s is 12%.

Where is this information from? That lawsuit?

Not sure of the criteria for a Harvard academic 2. If it's near perfect stats with top rigor and great recommendations, but no national awards, that sounds like the criteria for Oxford. Oxford is still an easier admit, and likely takes more than 12% of such applicants in most subjects.

FYI, for Oxbridge major really really matters. Being accepted to study modern languages is not remotely like being accepted for medicine or PPE.

The acceptance rates for Americans at Oxford are a fraction of the overall acceptance rates across majors. Oxford publishes detailed statistics, and you can find the numbers there. Singapore has the highest acceptance rate among foreign countries. China’s is twice as high as for US.

Oxford is prejudiced against US applicants bc they are much less likely to yield than students from all other countries. Most of the candidates they want to admit will also have other offers from US T10s, and even with an offer from Oxford, tend to choose the Ivy League. This is particularly true now that Oxford pegs tuition for international students to US Ivy levels.

Why would Oxford care about yield? They have no incentive to not make an offer even if it's likely the student will turn them down, since Oxford doesn't lose anything in that case.