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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, someone from Michigan isn't going to have a hard time being a couple of hours away in a country that's basically the same as the US. Someone going to the UK, Sweden, or Germany is going to have a much different experience. If you haven't done it, you shouldn't be telling us how easy it was.

How did you get to be an adult without realizing your experiences are not universal? Sorry that being an international student during college was traumatic for you. It isn't traumatic for everyone.

I shared the stories of my family members who are happy in Canada, because the OP specifically asked about how to get their kid interested in the possibility of universities in Canada. If you want to believe it's false and that they're secretly traumatized, then that's the fault of your own brain.

You clearly haven't attended a school on a different continent at 17 so please stop telling me or anyone else what the experience is like. The fault of your brain is that you think you know better than the person with first hand experience.

I'm sorry your brain thinks it knows who is posting on DCUM and what their educational background is. You don't get to censor people sharing experiences that are different from your own, and I'm sorry for you that you can't see beyond your own narrow experience.

And you don't get to censor me when I share my personal experience. Learn how to read as well. You're ignorant on so many levels.

No one is censoring you. They're just sharing experiences that are different from yours and you attack them and say they don't know what they're talking about. Sorry your international education was of such poor quality that it didn't teach you to read properly or to understand others.

UK schools don’t offer merit aid. Yes, they are cheaper mostly because they are 3-year degrees. But then you study only one thing, don’t have good career and internship opportunities, and then what? Unless kid has a UK passport, I highly advise against it.

If kid is near top-20 material, kid will get merit aid in the U.S. at a “lesser school” so financially it will be a wash, particularly if AP credits allow for graduation in 3.5 years.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

Presumably those are kids who really wanted to be there. Op’s child has no desire to study in another country.

Exactly. But who cares about that, right?

I posted above that I very much wanted to do it and it was still extremely difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, someone from Michigan isn't going to have a hard time being a couple of hours away in a country that's basically the same as the US. Someone going to the UK, Sweden, or Germany is going to have a much different experience. If you haven't done it, you shouldn't be telling us how easy it was.

How did you get to be an adult without realizing your experiences are not universal? Sorry that being an international student during college was traumatic for you. It isn't traumatic for everyone.

I shared the stories of my family members who are happy in Canada, because the OP specifically asked about how to get their kid interested in the possibility of universities in Canada. If you want to believe it's false and that they're secretly traumatized, then that's the fault of your own brain.

You clearly haven't attended a school on a different continent at 17 so please stop telling me or anyone else what the experience is like. The fault of your brain is that you think you know better than the person with first hand experience.

What is wrong with you? OP literally asked people to share experiences about how to encourage their DD to consider international schools. That's what people are doing.

What is wrong with you? Have you attended an international university thousands of miles away from home? I have! I shared my personal experience. It takes a special kind of idiot to think that it's OK to push your child into this, knowing they don't want to do it just to save a buck. It's not something a loving parent does.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

Presumably those are kids who really wanted to be there. Op’s child has no desire to study in another country.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, someone from Michigan isn't going to have a hard time being a couple of hours away in a country that's basically the same as the US. Someone going to the UK, Sweden, or Germany is going to have a much different experience. If you haven't done it, you shouldn't be telling us how easy it was.

How did you get to be an adult without realizing your experiences are not universal? Sorry that being an international student during college was traumatic for you. It isn't traumatic for everyone.

I shared the stories of my family members who are happy in Canada, because the OP specifically asked about how to get their kid interested in the possibility of universities in Canada. If you want to believe it's false and that they're secretly traumatized, then that's the fault of your own brain.

You clearly haven't attended a school on a different continent at 17 so please stop telling me or anyone else what the experience is like. The fault of your brain is that you think you know better than the person with first hand experience.

I'm sorry your brain thinks it knows who is posting on DCUM and what their educational background is. You don't get to censor people sharing experiences that are different from your own, and I'm sorry for you that you can't see beyond your own narrow experience.

And you don't get to censor me when I share my personal experience. Learn how to read as well. You're ignorant on so many levels.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, someone from Michigan isn't going to have a hard time being a couple of hours away in a country that's basically the same as the US. Someone going to the UK, Sweden, or Germany is going to have a much different experience. If you haven't done it, you shouldn't be telling us how easy it was.

How did you get to be an adult without realizing your experiences are not universal? Sorry that being an international student during college was traumatic for you. It isn't traumatic for everyone.

I shared the stories of my family members who are happy in Canada, because the OP specifically asked about how to get their kid interested in the possibility of universities in Canada. If you want to believe it's false and that they're secretly traumatized, then that's the fault of your own brain.

You clearly haven't attended a school on a different continent at 17 so please stop telling me or anyone else what the experience is like. The fault of your brain is that you think you know better than the person with first hand experience.

What is wrong with you? OP literally asked people to share experiences about how to encourage their DD to consider international schools. That's what people are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, someone from Michigan isn't going to have a hard time being a couple of hours away in a country that's basically the same as the US. Someone going to the UK, Sweden, or Germany is going to have a much different experience. If you haven't done it, you shouldn't be telling us how easy it was.

How did you get to be an adult without realizing your experiences are not universal? Sorry that being an international student during college was traumatic for you. It isn't traumatic for everyone.

I shared the stories of my family members who are happy in Canada, because the OP specifically asked about how to get their kid interested in the possibility of universities in Canada. If you want to believe it's false and that they're secretly traumatized, then that's the fault of your own brain.

You clearly haven't attended a school on a different continent at 17 so please stop telling me or anyone else what the experience is like. The fault of your brain is that you think you know better than the person with first hand experience.

I'm sorry your brain thinks it knows who is posting on DCUM and what their educational background is. You don't get to censor people sharing experiences that are different from your own, and I'm sorry for you that you can't see beyond your own narrow experience.

Anonymous wrote:So you're so ignorant, so insecure, so afraid of judgement, so enamored of what you perceive to be a social status thing, that if your child cannot get into an American T15, you'd rather tell everyone that she's "in Europe"? Without any regard for which uni in Europe, because in your little mind it's all the same and the brand is "Europe"?

I'm French and I've lived in the UK, Germany and France. You are looking very dumb right now, OP.

sometimes it's just a value play. colleges cost 100k. it's not 1995 anymore. ts is - almost always - not worth 400k

I would refrain from PUSHING your kid towards an international school.

I would open their minds and view by exposing them to the idea when they are HS Freshman or Sophomores….but let them decide.

We travelled a lot. One summer (between Fresh and Soph HS yr) we were in Italy and when in Milan we accidentally passed in front of these amazing buidling that happened to be Bocconi. My son asked what that was and when we told him it was an amazing business school his brain started working….we came back to Europe between Soph and Junior year to specifically tour EU and UK schools since he was enamored but not sold on the idea.

HE spent a month abroad between his Jr and Sr at a U program in Italy and this gave him the confidence to apply in his Sr year. We didnt force anything, only opened his eyes.

Some kids will want to explore the idea, others like my daughter will straight up say, no, not for me.

There’s a big difference in logistics, separation, and potential culture shock between Canadian schools and UK or European schools. People are making arguments about one and then sniping at commenters talking about the other as if they are talking about the same thing like children bickering. Get a grip.

OP, if you really want to encourage this (but honestly, there’s no point in pushing super hard if DD truly is adamant she doesn’t want it), start with the idea of Canadian schools. Visit a couple, see how it goes. Find fun things to do in Toronto or whoever you are — make a bit of a vacation out of it.

If she does come around to Canadian schools, you could try to open the convo to UK schools, because many Canadian schools have a similar model. But don’t discount the logistics of trans-Atlantic commuting, or your daughter simply wanting the American college experience.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, someone from Michigan isn't going to have a hard time being a couple of hours away in a country that's basically the same as the US. Someone going to the UK, Sweden, or Germany is going to have a much different experience. If you haven't done it, you shouldn't be telling us how easy it was.

How did you get to be an adult without realizing your experiences are not universal? Sorry that being an international student during college was traumatic for you. It isn't traumatic for everyone.

I shared the stories of my family members who are happy in Canada, because the OP specifically asked about how to get their kid interested in the possibility of universities in Canada. If you want to believe it's false and that they're secretly traumatized, then that's the fault of your own brain.

You clearly haven't attended a school on a different continent at 17 so please stop telling me or anyone else what the experience is like. The fault of your brain is that you think you know better than the person with first hand experience.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, someone from Michigan isn't going to have a hard time being a couple of hours away in a country that's basically the same as the US. Someone going to the UK, Sweden, or Germany is going to have a much different experience. If you haven't done it, you shouldn't be telling us how easy it was.

How did you get to be an adult without realizing your experiences are not universal? Sorry that being an international student during college was traumatic for you. It isn't traumatic for everyone.

I shared the stories of my family members who are happy in Canada, because the OP specifically asked about how to get their kid interested in the possibility of universities in Canada. If you want to believe it's false and that they're secretly traumatized, then that's the fault of your own brain.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who was an international student in college (all 4 years) I can tell you that it was EXTREMELY hard to be completely on my own in a country I knew very little about. Probably one of the hardest things I have ever done and I was completely on board with being here. Cheaper or not, do not do this if she is not in favor of it.

Being at university and on your own for the first time is hard for most kids. I have American relatives with kids at Canadian universities, and their kids are super happy to be there. Any college pangs of the first year were due to just being at college with a new set of people for the first time, not because it was Canadian.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Sure, someone from Michigan isn't going to have a hard time being a couple of hours away in a country that's basically the same as the US. Someone going to the UK, Sweden, or Germany is going to have a much different experience. If you haven't done it, you shouldn't be telling us how easy it was.

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Anonymous wrote:I would like DD to consider European or Canadian universities if she is not admitted to a T15 in U.S.. I believe she has the stats and a strong chance of admission to some international schools. Studying abroad would be an amazing experience for her and could also offer a significantly more affordable education. She could then use the remaining funds for graduate school in the U.S., which is a path she is likely to pursue. However, she is adamant about staying in the U.S. How do I encourage her to seriously consider international schools?

Give her a reasonable budget - say, $160k for her bachelor's degree, and offer a free trip to Canada/UK to visit Canadian/UK unis. When she ends up weighing the affordable Alabama vs St. Andrews, the choice will become clear.

And if she disagrees and takes a full ride to Clemson, you disown her?

You might want to improve your reading comprehension. OP specifically wrote that they were encouraging their kid to look at international schools if they don't get into a T15 bc they're cheaper.

How is being full pay at an international school cheaper than taking a full ride at an American school?

That's the point. OP said they were looking into international schools because they're cheaper. OP didn't say they would refuse a free ride at an American school if available. Feel free to offer OP a scholarship if the idea of people seeking cheaper good options in other countries offends you so much.

OP raised prestige in her first sentence, only getting around to price as a plus factor in her third sentence. But I hope you are correct that OP cares more about price than prestige, because forcing a kid who is “adamant about staying in the US” to go abroad for college, whether for price or prestige, is not a good plan.