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Anonymous wrote:The opportunities are nowhere near competitive enough. DD was able to work at Yale law during the summer and get funding to examine legal theory across 5 different countries with an experienced, decorated law faculty member. During the school year, she has a grant to do bioethics policy work with a New York think tank that reached out to Yale for students, leads a club where she’s able to invite major speakers in ethics and other philosophy faculty, and was able to take a course in the SOM to fulfill her interest in bioethics. At Williams, she could’ve gone to class and taken a wide range of philosophy courses unrelated to her interest and maybe joined/started a club.

Her friends at LACs are academically impressive but that’s about it. They don’t have the experiences that signal impact. At best, they can get into an REU hosted at an institution like my daughters.

I have a kid at Yale (freshman) and Wiliams (junior) so maybe I can speak about this a little. They're both terrific.

Yale has more of a wow factor when you talk to your friends. No doubt. And they have big name speakers on campus every week. I like what a bigger school provides ie more dining options etc, but that's not a Yale thing. Would have been more food options are Syracuse etc. The kids are happy, lots of connections if you want them, lots to do on weekends (although more frat life than I realized)

The downside is the very competitive club culture. If you get into the top finance (theater, law, political, improv black) etc club, then you're on easy street. But the top finance club takes 12 kids (per year) and 2000 applied this year. So you try to get into the top 3 clubs and that can be hard too. My kid was applying to clubs nonstop and got into a good one and a couple okay ones. It's competitive. You have to be good at xyz if you want to get into the xyz club.

Williams can be an unknown to your friends, but not employers. Fewer resources on campus, fewer big names, fewer dining halls, fewer parties on weekends (but there are some, every weekend) and you're tucked away for a long winter. Those are the downsides. Upsides: more of a personal connection to teacher (ie they make calls for you). There are a ton of nepo kids there which has been an upside -- roomies dad can get you a summer gig at Blackstone. And the alumni network is very receptive. Reaching out to a rando on LinkedIn who went to yale would be weird. at Williams, totally normal. Also, you can do ANYTHING. Never done improv, who cares. Never looked at a P&L statement, you can do the January term at a hedge fund and get an internship from that.

They're very different with different ways of accessing opportunities. But both great.

So, in many words, Yale is a lot better experience than Williams. Kids can’t definitely reach out to Yale alum, particularly for referrals. That’s a normal thing at any school. Winter study seems to just be a “laughable” experience, according to Williams faculty, https://williamsrecord.com/465133/news/college-to-reevaluate-winter-study-in-the-face-of-faculty-discontent/

It honestly sounds like there aren’t resources at Williams if you have to rely on your roommate to get a job. I think it’s great and all to do improv club, but that can be done at a community college.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a pretty meh experience at these top lacs: https://hcspectator.com/2934/news/does-hamilton-prepare-all-of-its-majors-for-success-no-or-at-least-not-always/

You obviously didn't read that article before you posted it. A stunt that I am pretty sure you repeated on multiple threads. You're just an annoying shitposter.

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Anonymous wrote:if you are an athlete at Williams, there is no stronger alumni group on the planet

+100 Same goes for pretty much any top NESCAC and that drives the Ivy strivers insane. Poor Larlo bends themselves unnaturally to please parents and get into an Ivy and is confronted with the reality that NESCACs (and a few others) and especially NESCAC athletics is where the real advantages exist.

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Anonymous wrote:You can keep them all. They pandered for years to the wrong groups of people and it is all coming to roost, while they turned most of their backs to those who gave them so much over many generations. Education and higher learning is to accomplish one thing to teach students, conduct research for the greater good of society, not take a name off a building because of new social norms and perceived pains, or most importantly that intuitions do not fall victim to Marx’s revolutionary consciousness. If you don’t see the paradox you have put your children in chasing these names the opium has worked.

what's "coming to roost"? their apps are sky high, their admission rate it super low. williams has an endowment that is more per student than most of the ivy league and their enrollment is under the 3k cap so their finances are unchanged even in the trump era

If Williams accepted as many people as Harvard; it’d have a 13-14% acceptance rate. Williams has a terrible yield rate and 1/5 the applications. I don’t find having a small acceptance rate when your school is tiny impressive. The only thing true about your post is it has money- a lot of it, but that doesn’t equal opportunities. Harvard students, hell Dartmouth students, have access to a lot more opportunities from the institution.

The copium is strong in this one.

Anonymous wrote:if you are an athlete at Williams, there is no stronger alumni group on the planet

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Anonymous wrote:You can keep them all. They pandered for years to the wrong groups of people and it is all coming to roost, while they turned most of their backs to those who gave them so much over many generations. Education and higher learning is to accomplish one thing to teach students, conduct research for the greater good of society, not take a name off a building because of new social norms and perceived pains, or most importantly that intuitions do not fall victim to Marx’s revolutionary consciousness. If you don’t see the paradox you have put your children in chasing these names the opium has worked.

what's "coming to roost"? their apps are sky high, their admission rate it super low. williams has an endowment that is more per student than most of the ivy league and their enrollment is under the 3k cap so their finances are unchanged even in the trump era

If Williams accepted as many people as Harvard; it’d have a 13-14% acceptance rate. Williams has a terrible yield rate and 1/5 the applications. I don’t find having a small acceptance rate when your school is tiny impressive. The only thing true about your post is it has money- a lot of it, but that doesn’t equal opportunities. Harvard students, hell Dartmouth students, have access to a lot more opportunities from the institution.

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a pretty meh experience at these top lacs: https://hcspectator.com/2934/news/does-hamilton-prepare-all-of-its-majors-for-success-no-or-at-least-not-always/

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Anonymous wrote:The opportunities are nowhere near competitive enough. DD was able to work at Yale law during the summer and get funding to examine legal theory across 5 different countries with an experienced, decorated law faculty member. During the school year, she has a grant to do bioethics policy work with a New York think tank that reached out to Yale for students, leads a club where she’s able to invite major speakers in ethics and other philosophy faculty, and was able to take a course in the SOM to fulfill her interest in bioethics. At Williams, she could’ve gone to class and taken a wide range of philosophy courses unrelated to her interest and maybe joined/started a club.

Her friends at LACs are academically impressive but that’s about it. They don’t have the experiences that signal impact. At best, they can get into an REU hosted at an institution like my daughters.

You have to be out of your mind if you think that top SLAC students don't get summer opportunities equal to those at ivies. Often they do research at Ivies, taking seats that I am sure some Ivy parent felt belonged to their child. My kid did a research summer at Penn. She got it because a Penn reached out to her inquiring about interest. They reached out because their SLAC professor got their PHD at Penn and they sent an unsolicited email suggesting my kid. That is what you get at a top SLAC.

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Anonymous wrote:The opportunities are nowhere near competitive enough. DD was able to work at Yale law during the summer and get funding to examine legal theory across 5 different countries with an experienced, decorated law faculty member. During the school year, she has a grant to do bioethics policy work with a New York think tank that reached out to Yale for students, leads a club where she’s able to invite major speakers in ethics and other philosophy faculty, and was able to take a course in the SOM to fulfill her interest in bioethics. At Williams, she could’ve gone to class and taken a wide range of philosophy courses unrelated to her interest and maybe joined/started a club.

Her friends at LACs are academically impressive but that’s about it. They don’t have the experiences that signal impact. At best, they can get into an REU hosted at an institution like my daughters.

I have a kid at Yale (freshman) and Wiliams (junior) so maybe I can speak about this a little. They're both terrific.

Yale has more of a wow factor when you talk to your friends. No doubt. And they have big name speakers on campus every week. I like what a bigger school provides ie more dining options etc, but that's not a Yale thing. Would have been more food options are Syracuse etc. The kids are happy, lots of connections if you want them, lots to do on weekends (although more frat life than I realized)

The downside is the very competitive club culture. If you get into the top finance (theater, law, political, improv black) etc club, then you're on easy street. But the top finance club takes 12 kids (per year) and 2000 applied this year. So you try to get into the top 3 clubs and that can be hard too. My kid was applying to clubs nonstop and got into a good one and a couple okay ones. It's competitive. You have to be good at xyz if you want to get into the xyz club.

Williams can be an unknown to your friends, but not employers. Fewer resources on campus, fewer big names, fewer dining halls, fewer parties on weekends (but there are some, every weekend) and you're tucked away for a long winter. Those are the downsides. Upsides: more of a personal connection to teacher (ie they make calls for you). There are a ton of nepo kids there which has been an upside -- roomies dad can get you a summer gig at Blackstone. And the alumni network is very receptive. Reaching out to a rando on LinkedIn who went to yale would be weird. at Williams, totally normal. Also, you can do ANYTHING. Never done improv, who cares. Never looked at a P&L statement, you can do the January term at a hedge fund and get an internship from that.

They're very different with different ways of accessing opportunities. But both great.

Anonymous wrote:The opportunities are nowhere near competitive enough. DD was able to work at Yale law during the summer and get funding to examine legal theory across 5 different countries with an experienced, decorated law faculty member. During the school year, she has a grant to do bioethics policy work with a New York think tank that reached out to Yale for students, leads a club where she’s able to invite major speakers in ethics and other philosophy faculty, and was able to take a course in the SOM to fulfill her interest in bioethics. At Williams, she could’ve gone to class and taken a wide range of philosophy courses unrelated to her interest and maybe joined/started a club.

Her friends at LACs are academically impressive but that’s about it. They don’t have the experiences that signal impact. At best, they can get into an REU hosted at an institution like my daughters.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked.

Yes, and they would beat the Ivies for quality of UG education. Agree they are apples and oranges.

You sound unhinged.