Anonymous wrote:I will say that there was something I read recently about how much food was wasted in ye olden times and someone said “the method of hunting bison by forcing a herd of wilds over a cliff”

They’d take the most choice cuts as humans and leave the rest, even if it were 100s of animals. I guess it fed back into the ecosystem but for lots of those reasons you just don’t have the meat from those animals available today anymore. Because they were forced into virtual extinction.

Maybe. There’s also the focus on limited breeds of a limited number of animals that, in the US, lend themselves to large scale production, that people will buy. Meaning, I think decisions were made to choose beef over bison for reasons that have little to do with Indigenous practices and everything to do with a society that supports businesses like McDonald’s.

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

I don't justify it. I know it's wrong, but I keep eating meat because I feel healthier when I eat meat. I tried to go vegan, then vegetarian, then I just gave up and started eating meat again. I don't eat beef, and I try very hard to eat fish, as long as it's not contaminated with heavy metals. I think human beings need to eat meat. I wish it weren't so. I try to only buy organic, grass fed chicken and pork, and never buy farmed fish. It's not easy. I'd quit if I could, but I don't know how I can.

It tastes good. I don't need any further justification.

I became so sick when i tried veganism. Depression, severe iron deficiency anemia, low b12, thin fragile hair, poor thyroid, acne..

Eating meat has helped me recover. It’s nature’s multivitamin

I will say that there was something I read recently about how much food was wasted in ye olden times and someone said “the method of hunting bison by forcing a herd of wilds over a cliff”

They’d take the most choice cuts as humans and leave the rest, even if it were 100s of animals. I guess it fed back into the ecosystem but for lots of those reasons you just don’t have the meat from those animals available today anymore. Because they were forced into virtual extinction.

Not all "significant" cuisines involve meat. Indian vegetarian cuisine is, I think, pretty significant.

The more important question IMO is the environmental impact. I say this as someone who does eat meat, although far less than my parents did. At cookouts my experience of plant based burgers and brats is that they are like decaf coffee. I also say this as someone from a farm family. I do know that cattle are useful for converting grass we can't eat into meat we can, and can make better use of some farm land than cropping would be--topsoil loss from intensive cropping is real and serious. But the environmental impact is huge and growing, and climate changes are having a direct impact on agriculture all over the world. Water in Arizona is being depleted by alfalfa shipped to Saudi Arabia to feed their cows. I also think the lives of wild animals probably warrant more attention than the lives of the animals we have essentially created (cows in medieval times were a fraction of the size they are now--weighing in at a few hundred pounds instead of 1100-1800 lb for slaughter beef).

I think of it like a not so secret vice that a lot of us share. I can't quit, it's so yummy.
I don't think we should stop eating meat, BTW. But we meat-eaters are probably eating way too much bad quality meat and cholesterol for our own good. We all need to cut back and buy the good stuff when we do buy it...

I eat vegetarian animals so that makes me somewhat adjacent to virtuosity.

I also drink the tears of human vegetarians, so I’ve got that going for me too.

Eating a thick ribeye tonight with excellent marbling. So good.

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

It tastes AWESOME. And it is very healthy.

Five Guys was delicious. I don’t care if they make burgers with unicorn meat.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

It's delicious and nutritious. What exactly is your question?

Is the taste and nutrition of it justified when it ends someone else’s life? There are plenty of other options for delicious and nutritious food.

Someone else? Anthropomorphic much? And there's nothing as delicious as meat. To prove my point, there's no artificial artichoke or carrots made from meat. Yet there's artificial meat made from soybeans and peas. Why would a vegetarian want to eat fake meat if it weren't inherently more delicious?

Is an animal more of a someone or a something? It’s not a thing. It’s a living being. We’re all animals at the end of the day.

I’m not denying that meat tastes good. I’m asking if you think it’s ethically justified to kill an animal because you think its flesh tastes good?

Everything depends on your ethics standards. As Christian, we were told by God to eat meat. "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you". With some limitations outlined in the Bible. But if you have different ethics standards then Christians, obviously you should follow your ethics.

If one believes that there was once an ark where exactly 2 of every animal on earth were permitted on board, what happened if one died along the way?

How did anyone maintain an adequate supply of correct food for every animal?

Were the cats not permitted to hunt rats and mice on the ark?

Was there only 1 hen and one rooster? Was the hen allowed to hatch her eggs? What if the hen died from being the only one that the rooster had to have sex with all day long? (Because that’s what they do)

I have never seen horses or dinosaurs or dogs depicted on the ark. What kind of dogs? Was it only one breed? Are all dogs today descended from … what were the dogs on the ark again?

Why weren’t there dinosaurs on the ark?

I have some Jesus Gun cousins who recently posted about having visited the Ark Encounter for vacation in MO? TN? I forget. One of those states. I saw a picture they took of themselves in front of a depiction of a caveman riding a dinosaur under SADDLE

Well, hen survived.

But not with eggs that would ever hatch into new chickens.

How does one even know if God is a “HE” … is there a DNA test? Does God have a penis? Does he even have hands to write the Bible?

English didn’t even exist in the supposed time of Jesus.

And to me there’s a good chance Jesus, however he existed, he was gay, hanging around with all those male disciples all the time

Are you my sister? I KNEW becoming a vegan would make you insufferable, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

It's delicious and nutritious. What exactly is your question?

Is the taste and nutrition of it justified when it ends someone else’s life? There are plenty of other options for delicious and nutritious food.

Someone else? Anthropomorphic much? And there's nothing as delicious as meat. To prove my point, there's no artificial artichoke or carrots made from meat. Yet there's artificial meat made from soybeans and peas. Why would a vegetarian want to eat fake meat if it weren't inherently more delicious?

Is an animal more of a someone or a something? It’s not a thing. It’s a living being. We’re all animals at the end of the day.

I’m not denying that meat tastes good. I’m asking if you think it’s ethically justified to kill an animal because you think its flesh tastes good?

Everything depends on your ethics standards. As Christian, we were told by God to eat meat. "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you". With some limitations outlined in the Bible. But if you have different ethics standards then Christians, obviously you should follow your ethics.

If one believes that there was once an ark where exactly 2 of every animal on earth were permitted on board, what happened if one died along the way?

How did anyone maintain an adequate supply of correct food for every animal?

Were the cats not permitted to hunt rats and mice on the ark?

Was there only 1 hen and one rooster? Was the hen allowed to hatch her eggs? What if the hen died from being the only one that the rooster had to have sex with all day long? (Because that’s what they do)

I have never seen horses or dinosaurs or dogs depicted on the ark. What kind of dogs? Was it only one breed? Are all dogs today descended from … what were the dogs on the ark again?

Why weren’t there dinosaurs on the ark?

I have some Jesus Gun cousins who recently posted about having visited the Ark Encounter for vacation in MO? TN? I forget. One of those states. I saw a picture they took of themselves in front of a depiction of a caveman riding a dinosaur under SADDLE

Well, hen survived.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

It's delicious and nutritious. What exactly is your question?

Is the taste and nutrition of it justified when it ends someone else’s life? There are plenty of other options for delicious and nutritious food.

Someone else? Anthropomorphic much? And there's nothing as delicious as meat. To prove my point, there's no artificial artichoke or carrots made from meat. Yet there's artificial meat made from soybeans and peas. Why would a vegetarian want to eat fake meat if it weren't inherently more delicious?

Is an animal more of a someone or a something? It’s not a thing. It’s a living being. We’re all animals at the end of the day.

I’m not denying that meat tastes good. I’m asking if you think it’s ethically justified to kill an animal because you think its flesh tastes good?

Everything depends on your ethics standards. As Christian, we were told by God to eat meat. "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you". With some limitations outlined in the Bible. But if you have different ethics standards then Christians, obviously you should follow your ethics.

If one believes that there was once an ark where exactly 2 of every animal on earth were permitted on board, what happened if one died along the way?

How did anyone maintain an adequate supply of correct food for every animal?

Were the cats not permitted to hunt rats and mice on the ark?

Was there only 1 hen and one rooster? Was the hen allowed to hatch her eggs? What if the hen died from being the only one that the rooster had to have sex with all day long? (Because that’s what they do)

I have never seen horses or dinosaurs or dogs depicted on the ark. What kind of dogs? Was it only one breed? Are all dogs today descended from … what were the dogs on the ark again?

Why weren’t there dinosaurs on the ark?

I have some Jesus Gun cousins who recently posted about having visited the Ark Encounter for vacation in MO? TN? I forget. One of those states. I saw a picture they took of themselves in front of a depiction of a caveman riding a dinosaur under SADDLE

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

Not every natural instinct requires justification. We just do it and enjoy it.