Anonymous
12/02/2025 14:04
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And still faster than Makos, Marlins, and AAC.
Makos are much slower than last year. Mostly because their elite kid aged up.
It looks like 3+ of Makos’ best 13+ swimmers moved to NCAP this year.
Makos is a decent team but I think if a kid is really committed you need a large cohort to push you at practice and it is in your interest to be on a team that attends the better meets. The meets that are going to push you.
Unless a kid is winning every event with ease, which doesn't look like it will be the case for any PVS age grouper, a meet like winter classic, though not as fast as KLI, will push kids to get better. It's good for them to develop self motivation too on their own timeframe. Kids who learn to work hard when no one is looking or when no one else is pushing them will go far.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 12:58
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And still faster than Makos, Marlins, and AAC.
Makos are much slower than last year. Mostly because their elite kid aged up.
It looks like 3+ of Makos’ best 13+ swimmers moved to NCAP this year.
Makos is a decent team but I think if a kid is really committed you need a large cohort to push you at practice and it is in your interest to be on a team that attends the better meets. The meets that are going to push you.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 12:52
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
The 11-12 age group in general seems to be the weakest at this meet. Looks like many teams are only bringing 13 and older swimmers. NOVA of VA is there this year but seems to be only bringing 13-14s. Some teams send different age groups/levels to different meets.
Travel teams generally do team travel for 13&O so no young kids will attend from a team for that session. There are a lot of meets that don't even have finals for 12&U age group and just do timed finals for that session.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 11:59
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
I'm constantly stupefied by how much time people spend comparing psych sheets/results of different meets, looking at specific age groups and knowing the reasons why certain age groups got better/worse.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And still faster than Makos, Marlins, and AAC.
Makos are much slower than last year. Mostly because their elite kid aged up.
It looks like 3+ of Makos’ best 13+ swimmers moved to NCAP this year.
Thanks for repeating what was said earlier.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 11:56
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And still faster than Makos, Marlins, and AAC.
Makos are much slower than last year. Mostly because their elite kid aged up.
It looks like 3+ of Makos’ best 13+ swimmers moved to NCAP this year.
Thanks for repeating what was said earlier.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 11:49
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And still faster than Makos, Marlins, and AAC.
Makos are much slower than last year. Mostly because their elite kid aged up.
It looks like 3+ of Makos’ best 13+ swimmers moved to NCAP this year.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 11:44
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And still faster than Makos, Marlins, and AAC.
Makos are much slower than last year. Mostly because their elite kid aged up.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 10:25
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And still faster than Makos, Marlins, and AAC.
Those 11-12 boys relays would be seeded 10th and 9th at KLI.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 10:21
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:13 year old hero. 18 year old zero.
Eh, this true for people trying to act like a kid who is super fast as a 10 and under is destined for greatness, but at least for girls if you are an “elite” 13-14 chances are pretty good you will be “elite” through HS.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 10:19
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And still faster than Makos, Marlins, and AAC.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 09:59
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:I previously referred to my child as a good swimmer. From now on, I will refer to the child as elite. This will be fun!
Great tactic - every kid is elite, now none are elite.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 09:35
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
I previously referred to my child as a good swimmer. From now on, I will refer to the child as elite. This will be fun!
Anonymous
12/02/2025 09:18
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
13 year old hero. 18 year old zero.
Anonymous
12/02/2025 09:09
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Elite elite elite elite
Anonymous
12/02/2025 09:08
Subject: Psych sheet for Sport Fair?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here’s the psych sheet for KLI, which gives a comparison point for what it takes to be top 16 and get a 2nd swim at finals at these meets. I have a 13-14 swimmer going to KLI and in all of her events a sectional cut will be needed to make the A final.
https://www.gomotionapp.com/pvma/__eventform__/1489909_b7ccbcaf-7cd8-47e2-aa13-c43d0d21776d.pdf
Holy crap. That is a MUCH faster meet.
KLI has long been a deeper meet. However, this year there aren’t the standouts at the top of the Winter Classic (State, NCAA, Olympic Champs) that there have been in years past.
Some of the fast 13/15 and senior Mako girls left for NCAP this year.
Many of the elite York young kids left. There isn’t a standout club from the northeast this year either.
Even after the departure of some strong swimmers, York still has the top-seeded 11-12 boys free relays in both 200 and 400.
Yes, the point is this year’s 11-12 200 free relay seed time is three seconds slower than last year. Partially because last year included two 11 year-olds that are no longer with York.
And JFC the panties in a twist over the calling a kid elite because they are elite by any measure of the word relative to their peers, but not compared to Gretchen Walsh at age 22. Chill out. Not everybody thinks their elementary schooler, no matter how good, is the next Torri Huske.
They are not elite. Full stop. Stop saying it. They are strong swimmers.
I am with all the comments from other posters, elite is not a term for a young swimmer for all the reasons stated above but also because there are a lot less young swimmers to compare them to so the motivational standards are not as solid. Most younger kids are still learning to swim, have not opted to start swimming competitively yet, etc. So you have this 11&U field that has not filled out. Then you have an influx of part time swimmers who start taking it seriously that enter the swimming world and knock out those strong swimmers. Then the swim circle of life goes full circle with many kids (some really fast ones) leaving the sport in their teens because they would rather have a life than chase a black line up and down a pool.