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Anonymous wrote:I think poster at 15:09 hit the nail on the head.

In the link of the descriptions it, says the report card includes all students who completed high school for that year. So would be diploma and certificate of completers.

So as the poster said, look at the 2023 results t o get the proficiency rates for the class of 2025. It won't be exact due students coming in and out and also taking the test after 2023. But Einstein's ELA 10 proficiency rate in 2023 was 29.8. And that's the majority of the students that make up the 2025 report card tab numbers for the ELA proficiency rates.

Thank you! Why do you think there is such a huge difference? And also, why is this so hard to figure out?

I don't remember the exact timeline of things.

But I think they stopped testing a bit during the pandemic. Then after the pandemic testing wasn't required because students couldn't get the remediation they needed.

Then they rolled out new versions of the test. Where it was the PARCC before the pandemic. Then they had an early version of the MCAP. Then the MCAP.

And if I recall correctly the first version of the actual MCAP, not the special administration/Early Fall, almost everyone failed and the highest proficiency rate schools had was like maybe 65 percent.

It might've been that or it might've been that the school or students chose to blow off the test because they figured that students didn't need to pass it to graduate. But that's just a guess. Someone that actually knew what was going on at the school would probably have to give the details.

MCPS offered free tutoring for a few years but few did it and it was hit or miss on tutors. We used it some.

I think the curriculum plays a huge part in the low numbers. They do teach foundation anymore with spelling, grammar, reading comp, and vocabulary. Kids barely read books anymore. It's hit or miss on the teacher your child is assigned to and how much effort they put into it.

Nah, that wouldn't explain why at this one school, for this one year, passing rates were way lower than either before or after. It's gotta be something:very specific that only an Einstein teacher or parent would be able to tell us.

(Also elementary and middle school now has a ton of spelling, grammar, vocab, etc, FWIW. Although it may not have when those kids were there.)

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Anonymous wrote:I think poster at 15:09 hit the nail on the head.

In the link of the descriptions it, says the report card includes all students who completed high school for that year. So would be diploma and certificate of completers.

So as the poster said, look at the 2023 results t o get the proficiency rates for the class of 2025. It won't be exact due students coming in and out and also taking the test after 2023. But Einstein's ELA 10 proficiency rate in 2023 was 29.8. And that's the majority of the students that make up the 2025 report card tab numbers for the ELA proficiency rates.

Thank you! Why do you think there is such a huge difference? And also, why is this so hard to figure out?

I don't remember the exact timeline of things.

But I think they stopped testing a bit during the pandemic. Then after the pandemic testing wasn't required because students couldn't get the remediation they needed.

Then they rolled out new versions of the test. Where it was the PARCC before the pandemic. Then they had an early version of the MCAP. Then the MCAP.

And if I recall correctly the first version of the actual MCAP, not the special administration/Early Fall, almost everyone failed and the highest proficiency rate schools had was like maybe 65 percent.

It might've been that or it might've been that the school or students chose to blow off the test because they figured that students didn't need to pass it to graduate. But that's just a guess. Someone that actually knew what was going on at the school would probably have to give the details.

MCPS offered free tutoring for a few years but few did it and it was hit or miss on tutors. We used it some.

I think the curriculum plays a huge part in the low numbers. They do teach foundation anymore with spelling, grammar, reading comp, and vocabulary. Kids barely read books anymore. It's hit or miss on the teacher your child is assigned to and how much effort they put into it.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, in HS, many kids just do the minimum and don't care about these tests. I wouldn't put much concern in them. We have skipped testing, and I don't even look at the scores, as it means nothing - for all I know, my kids just randomly check boxes if it's not a graduation requirement, as once you are in HS, you are on the track, so there is no benefit to the student. (I am a parent who pays attention to every grade, etc, but this stuff doesn't matter).

I'm not worried about my kid's score as she is not in HS, nor am I particularly worried about the quality of education kids get at Einstein given that the 2025 proficiency rate seems aberrant. I do think it is fair to wonder how well schools are doing at teaching kids math and literacy as these skills are important for a lot of things in life.

And in general, the MD school report card website seems poorly designed and unclear - they could clearly label their tables and charts so you don't have to dig into other documents to find out what the numbers they are listing actually are.

The quality of the education is really about the teacher your child is assigned to. Teachers are hit or miss at any school. And, many of the kids are ESOL as there is a large Hispanic population. These are great kids, so don't get turned off by it. But, if they don't speak or read English well, it's impossible to pass these tests.

Don't choose a school on numbers alone.

Oh we have already chosen Einstein. We are in our forever home.

But it's telling how parents who want to understand the school system and how well it is serving students get waved off and yelled at.

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Anonymous wrote:I think poster at 15:09 hit the nail on the head.

In the link of the descriptions it, says the report card includes all students who completed high school for that year. So would be diploma and certificate of completers.

So as the poster said, look at the 2023 results t o get the proficiency rates for the class of 2025. It won't be exact due students coming in and out and also taking the test after 2023. But Einstein's ELA 10 proficiency rate in 2023 was 29.8. And that's the majority of the students that make up the 2025 report card tab numbers for the ELA proficiency rates.

Thank you! Why do you think there is such a huge difference? And also, why is this so hard to figure out?

I don't remember the exact timeline of things.

But I think they stopped testing a bit during the pandemic. Then after the pandemic testing wasn't required because students couldn't get the remediation they needed.

Then they rolled out new versions of the test. Where it was the PARCC before the pandemic. Then they had an early version of the MCAP. Then the MCAP.

And if I recall correctly the first version of the actual MCAP, not the special administration/Early Fall, almost everyone failed and the highest proficiency rate schools had was like maybe 65 percent.

It might've been that or it might've been that the school or students chose to blow off the test because they figured that students didn't need to pass it to graduate. But that's just a guess. Someone that actually knew what was going on at the school would probably have to give the details.

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Anonymous wrote:I think poster at 15:09 hit the nail on the head.

In the link of the descriptions it, says the report card includes all students who completed high school for that year. So would be diploma and certificate of completers.

So as the poster said, look at the 2023 results t o get the proficiency rates for the class of 2025. It won't be exact due students coming in and out and also taking the test after 2023. But Einstein's ELA 10 proficiency rate in 2023 was 29.8. And that's the majority of the students that make up the 2025 report card tab numbers for the ELA proficiency rates.

Thank you! Why do you think there is such a huge difference? And also, why is this so hard to figure out?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, in HS, many kids just do the minimum and don't care about these tests. I wouldn't put much concern in them. We have skipped testing, and I don't even look at the scores, as it means nothing - for all I know, my kids just randomly check boxes if it's not a graduation requirement, as once you are in HS, you are on the track, so there is no benefit to the student. (I am a parent who pays attention to every grade, etc, but this stuff doesn't matter).

I'm not worried about my kid's score as she is not in HS, nor am I particularly worried about the quality of education kids get at Einstein given that the 2025 proficiency rate seems aberrant. I do think it is fair to wonder how well schools are doing at teaching kids math and literacy as these skills are important for a lot of things in life.

And in general, the MD school report card website seems poorly designed and unclear - they could clearly label their tables and charts so you don't have to dig into other documents to find out what the numbers they are listing actually are.

The quality of the education is really about the teacher your child is assigned to. Teachers are hit or miss at any school. And, many of the kids are ESOL as there is a large Hispanic population. These are great kids, so don't get turned off by it. But, if they don't speak or read English well, it's impossible to pass these tests.

Don't choose a school on numbers alone.

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Anonymous wrote:The p numbers are performance levels. The 68.4 is students who scored 3 and 4s. The rest scored 2 with only a tiny number scoring a 1. That is good for a high esol school.

Great! Still not clear why one part of the website says 68.4% and another part says 34%.

Did you bother looking up how they calculate the report card, if you're so curious? It's all right here: https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/HelpGuide/HelpGuideLinks/3/17/6/99/XXXX/2024 The report card proficiency is based only on the scores of last year's seniors.

Did you? These links don't address my question.

How does it not answer your question? The at a glance makes it very clear that it's looking at 12th graders, and other documents go into more depth.

Now why the 2022-2023 10th graders at Einstein did so poorly on the ELA 10 MCAP I don't know. But whatever reason it was, it clearly is not a lingering issue because subsequent rates have been much higher.

Nowhere on the website or this document does it explain why the numbers under the MCAP tab are different. It doesn't say under MCAP that these are the tests administered in 2025. We just have to infer that, I guess.

Also, I see huge discrepancies in math proficiency rates between the report card and the MCAP tab. It's very bizarre. I shouldn't need to spend hours looking at this to try to understand it.

I mean, on the MCAP page it literally says "English Language Arts Data (2025)"?

Look, I totally agree the interface is not well designed and people shouldn't have to dig to understand it. But it takes like 2 extra minutes to find and reas the documentation to find the answers to your questions, but instead you spent far more time posting here asking other people to look it up for you rather than do it yourself. It's just a bit annoying.

They aren't talking about MCAP. Scroll down and look at the second paragraph (or whatever you want to call it), and it says Academic Achievement. It doesn't specify where those numbers came from. MCAP Einstein performed a bit higher than district average. When you look at numbers, take out ESOL and SPED students. Its not fair to test students in English if they are ESOL and not not speaking/reading English well.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, in HS, many kids just do the minimum and don't care about these tests. I wouldn't put much concern in them. We have skipped testing, and I don't even look at the scores, as it means nothing - for all I know, my kids just randomly check boxes if it's not a graduation requirement, as once you are in HS, you are on the track, so there is no benefit to the student. (I am a parent who pays attention to every grade, etc, but this stuff doesn't matter).

I'm not worried about my kid's score as she is not in HS, nor am I particularly worried about the quality of education kids get at Einstein given that the 2025 proficiency rate seems aberrant. I do think it is fair to wonder how well schools are doing at teaching kids math and literacy as these skills are important for a lot of things in life.

And in general, the MD school report card website seems poorly designed and unclear - they could clearly label their tables and charts so you don't have to dig into other documents to find out what the numbers they are listing actually are.

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Anonymous wrote:The p numbers are performance levels. The 68.4 is students who scored 3 and 4s. The rest scored 2 with only a tiny number scoring a 1. That is good for a high esol school.

Great! Still not clear why one part of the website says 68.4% and another part says 34%.

Did you bother looking up how they calculate the report card, if you're so curious? It's all right here: https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/HelpGuide/HelpGuideLinks/3/17/6/99/XXXX/2024 The report card proficiency is based only on the scores of last year's seniors.

Did you? These links don't address my question.

How does it not answer your question? The at a glance makes it very clear that it's looking at 12th graders, and other documents go into more depth.

Now why the 2022-2023 10th graders at Einstein did so poorly on the ELA 10 MCAP I don't know. But whatever reason it was, it clearly is not a lingering issue because subsequent rates have been much higher.

Nowhere on the website or this document does it explain why the numbers under the MCAP tab are different. It doesn't say under MCAP that these are the tests administered in 2025. We just have to infer that, I guess.

Also, I see huge discrepancies in math proficiency rates between the report card and the MCAP tab. It's very bizarre. I shouldn't need to spend hours looking at this to try to understand it.

I mean, on the MCAP page it literally says "English Language Arts Data (2025)"?

Look, I totally agree the interface is not well designed and people shouldn't have to dig to understand it. But it takes like 2 extra minutes to find and reas the documentation to find the answers to your questions, but instead you spent far more time posting here asking other people to look it up for you rather than do it yourself. It's just a bit annoying.