Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you agree-
T10 ivy differs from T10 non-ivy in their brand style, but not in their brand quality?

I can tell you none of ivies have ED2.

Many T10 non-ivy have ED2, Chicago has ED0 and WL admits on top of that.

Hopefully you can see the difference in brand quality immediately.

ivies like dartmouth admit a ton via waitlist. not impressive

Anonymous wrote:The question is about brand quality after you graduate, not fit during application process.

Yale's brand is weak in stem, but they are interested in stem kids to boost their stem part. Yale may not be the best fit for a computer science kid, but is happy to admit them. I wouldn't shy away from Yale just because I like to code.

This is only true if you think STEM = CS.

Ultimately the market decides on this. Look around McLean, Potomac, and Bethesda. Or NYC and SF. Where did these people go to college and where do they send their children? There are many schools represented but there are a few that rise above the rest. That doesn't mean your kid will be one of the outliers from any of the schools.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you agree-
T10 ivy differs from T10 non-ivy in their brand style, but not in their brand quality?

I can tell you none of ivies have ED2.

Many T10 non-ivy have ED2, Chicago has ED0 and WL admits on top of that.

Hopefully you can see the difference in brand quality immediately.

That is a great differentiator.

Some posters here have an extremely tech-centric view of the world. They think that if you are not an engineer you nothing. Guess what - for all of the well-publicized engineers who made a fortune founding a company, there are countless engineers toiling away coding.

I am more impressed with the schools that feed top banks, PE, big law, MBB, etc. Schools that serve not just as academic training grounds but also social finishing schools so you know how to navigate a cocktail party, a board of a major charitable organization, etc. Knowing what to say and what not to say in various situations. To be able to do this is to have truly made it in America.

These are the skills taught at Yale secret societies, top Princeton eating clubs, Harvard final clubs, and in the basements of Dartmouth frats playing beer pong.

The "if you are not in a very pre-professional major, you are a nobody" crowd doesn't get this.

Anonymous wrote:Do you agree-
T10 ivy differs from T10 non-ivy in their brand style, but not in their brand quality?

I can tell you none of ivies have ED2.

Many T10 non-ivy have ED2, Chicago has ED0 and WL admits on top of that.

Hopefully you can see the difference in brand quality immediately.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.

And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.

If you are going to talk about T20 rather than limiting to T10, then Georgetown, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame are on the table too.

You do realize there are a lot of rankings that don't have these schools in the "Top 20", right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MIT and Stanford are the most important schools in America. There's no reasonable debate about that.

And Duke, Chicago, CalTech, Northwestern, Rice, Vanderbilt, and Johns Hopkins are all just as good as the 8 schools in the Ivy league. It's some very fine parsing to distinguish them from the Ivy schools. Different vibes. But qualitatively no different and often better - especially in STEM. Only Cornell and Princeton are really competing there. The Ivy schools will always have the benefit of history. But that matters less and less.

If you are going to talk about T20 rather than limiting to T10, then Georgetown, WashU, Emory, Notre Dame are on the table too.

lol someone's feeling got hurt.

Wharton academics?? What??!

To OP - I hate to be rude but you are a dimwit to ask such an inane and pointless question. Who cares? If you are simply trying to pass time, pick up a book. You may actually learn something

Anonymous wrote:US News 2026 Top Ten National Universities are:

1) Princeton
2) MIT
3) Harvard
4) Stanford
4) Yale

6) U Chicago
7) Northwestern
7) Duke
7) U Penn
7) JHU

CalTech is #11.
Cornell is #12.
Brown & Dartmouth are tied at #13.
Not sure that Columbia is still in business.

Top Ten Ivy League schools are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, & U Penn.

Top Ten non-Ivy League schools are MIT, Stanford, U Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, & Johns Hopkins (JHU).

With respect to BRAND, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton, MIT, & Stanford are the most highly regarded.

Regarding quality of education, all of the Top Ten universities, whether in the Ivy League or not, are outstanding. Add in Caltech & Cornell.

Brown, Dartmouth, and Columbia are in a lower class regarding prestige, but all offer great academics.

Honestly, Cornell should rank higher than Penn.

US News 2026 Top Ten National Universities are:

1) Princeton
2) MIT
3) Harvard
4) Stanford
4) Yale

6) U Chicago
7) Northwestern
7) Duke
7) U Penn
7) JHU

CalTech is #11.
Cornell is #12.
Brown & Dartmouth are tied at #13.
Not sure that Columbia is still in business.

Top Ten Ivy League schools are Harvard, Yale, Princeton, & U Penn.

Top Ten non-Ivy League schools are MIT, Stanford, U Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, & Johns Hopkins (JHU).

With respect to BRAND, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Wharton, MIT, & Stanford are the most highly regarded.

Regarding quality of education, all of the Top Ten universities, whether in the Ivy League or not, are outstanding. Add in Caltech & Cornell.

Brown, Dartmouth, and Columbia are in a lower class regarding prestige, but all offer great academics.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you care about brand?

This is obviously an immigrant parent.

And their kids didn't get in ivies. Sad.

How could you have ivy status if the school does not recognize legacy?
Tech immigrant parents never would understand this. Ivy is not IIT.
Legacy is essential for maintaining the ivy network, plus donor and athletes.
If their kids go to MIT or JHU, good for them, but those never will have the same brand quality as Dartmouth. Period!

LOL ! You have to be kidding. MIT is far superior to Dartmouth & JHU students are perceived as more serious than are the very social students at Club Dartmouth.

Anonymous wrote:These types of posts are so old and tiresome.

Pot...meet kettle.

These types of posts are so old and tiresome.