Anonymous wrote:So f the unpaid contractors

NP. Absolutely not.

And also -- "and," not "but" -- this comes with contract work. There are pros to it, too, which is why people do it. I was a contractor before I signed on as permanent fed.

And it is true that you know contracts can be not continued at any time, and that there are always exit clauses. That is how all this works. You take the money you make over and above non-contract work, and you set aside what you need to have if it dries up.

Contractors are in a horrible, painful pinch, and they deserve support and empathy. And also this is different.

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Anonymous wrote:Tons were called back last week to work for no pay.
I agree though, they should get back pay asap. It makes be livid that this is happening. I am not a fed and actually know no Feds but I think they serve the rest of us and should be respected.

Of course they will get back pay ASAP, but it does not mean immediately after government reopen. The process takes 4-5 calendar days, it is reasonable.

No, it’s not reasonable. We are owed our pay AND the interest we would have had if we received our money on time!!

I am saying -- 4-5 days is reasonable to process backpay. So people should return as soon as shutdown is over, not until paid in full.

Regarding interest, there is no law saying interest on backpay. Agencies just cannot randomly distribute money as interest.

Well, when your position is deemed as Excepted Service and you accept the position. Basically, you agree to work during a shutdown, but are not paid until funding is restored. It is still fair, it is some kind of employment contract.

So tired of these “you knew what you were getting into” posts. No, as a late-20s attorney hired over a decade ago, I had no idea that we’d have a government this dysfunctional. And before you tell me to just get a private sector job, know that (1) the DC legal market is completely saturated with out of work feds and (2) spouse and I both have very gov-specific specialties that aren’t so easy to transition to private sector mid-career.

It is not me saying "get a private sector job....", that might be someone else.

I just made some points:
Everyone should return as soon as shutdown is over, not until paid in full.
There is no law supporting interest payment, just be realistic that there is no interest payment. We play by the book.

It is what it is.

NP - we need to fix the book. When it was decided "essential" furloughed" etc it never had this scenario in mind. Now we need a new mechanism (ah we need so many fixes!) but in this case a new mechanism that automatically mirrors same budget if nobody can decide on a new. Then we are never left with no budget. Absent that, we need a playbook that says feds will be paid the whole time from x funds. Absent that we need something that says ok, they will not be paid but they gotta work? You stupid stupid people. Fine, when the budget passes they all get time and a half back pay. Simple formula, no exceptions. It is already painfully expensive to close the govt. Taxpayers are pissed. And we know which side is the problem (as always. and they have all the power. the babies). Make it so so expensive to close the government.

Also congress does not get paid in any scenario. Just their staff.

What about excepted workers?

Anonymous wrote:Funny how not a single retired Fed who are getting paid massive pensions offered to help working Feds. They got there mentality.

Don’t despair, they may not be on DCUM. There are plenty of other networking groups for displaced feds both online and at local houses of worship.

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Well, when your position is deemed as Excepted Service and you accept the position. Basically, you agree to work during a shutdown, but are not paid until funding is restored. It is still fair, it is some kind of employment contract.

First, when you are clueless, it is better to keep your mouth shut. The vast majority of Fed positions do not come with a statement that the role is "essential" or not. Every shutdown, every snow day, every everything, managers come up with a new list of who must work.

Second, don't confuse fair with legal. I fully expect to see a class action lawsuit at the end of the shutdown to see if is legal to withhold pay from those working and those who are told to be ready to return with no notice.

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Anonymous wrote:Tons were called back last week to work for no pay.
I agree though, they should get back pay asap. It makes be livid that this is happening. I am not a fed and actually know no Feds but I think they serve the rest of us and should be respected.

Of course they will get back pay ASAP, but it does not mean immediately after government reopen. The process takes 4-5 calendar days, it is reasonable.

No, it’s not reasonable. We are owed our pay AND the interest we would have had if we received our money on time!!

I am saying -- 4-5 days is reasonable to process backpay. So people should return as soon as shutdown is over, not until paid in full.

Regarding interest, there is no law saying interest on backpay. Agencies just cannot randomly distribute money as interest.

Well, when your position is deemed as Excepted Service and you accept the position. Basically, you agree to work during a shutdown, but are not paid until funding is restored. It is still fair, it is some kind of employment contract.

So tired of these “you knew what you were getting into” posts. No, as a late-20s attorney hired over a decade ago, I had no idea that we’d have a government this dysfunctional. And before you tell me to just get a private sector job, know that (1) the DC legal market is completely saturated with out of work feds and (2) spouse and I both have very gov-specific specialties that aren’t so easy to transition to private sector mid-career.

It is not me saying "get a private sector job....", that might be someone else.

I just made some points:
Everyone should return as soon as shutdown is over, not until paid in full.
There is no law supporting interest payment, just be realistic that there is no interest payment. We play by the book.

It is what it is.

NP, but seriously, GFY. Everyone you know hates you. It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Tons were called back last week to work for no pay.
I agree though, they should get back pay asap. It makes be livid that this is happening. I am not a fed and actually know no Feds but I think they serve the rest of us and should be respected.

Of course they will get back pay ASAP, but it does not mean immediately after government reopen. The process takes 4-5 calendar days, it is reasonable.

No, it’s not reasonable. We are owed our pay AND the interest we would have had if we received our money on time!!

I am saying -- 4-5 days is reasonable to process backpay. So people should return as soon as shutdown is over, not until paid in full.

Regarding interest, there is no law saying interest on backpay. Agencies just cannot randomly distribute money as interest.

Well, when your position is deemed as Excepted Service and you accept the position. Basically, you agree to work during a shutdown, but are not paid until funding is restored. It is still fair, it is some kind of employment contract.

So tired of these “you knew what you were getting into” posts. No, as a late-20s attorney hired over a decade ago, I had no idea that we’d have a government this dysfunctional. And before you tell me to just get a private sector job, know that (1) the DC legal market is completely saturated with out of work feds and (2) spouse and I both have very gov-specific specialties that aren’t so easy to transition to private sector mid-career.

It is not me saying "get a private sector job....", that might be someone else.

I just made some points:
Everyone should return as soon as shutdown is over, not until paid in full.
There is no law supporting interest payment, just be realistic that there is no interest payment. We play by the book.

It is what it is.

Funny how not a single retired Fed who are getting paid massive pensions offered to help working Feds. They got there mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:Tons were called back last week to work for no pay.
I agree though, they should get back pay asap. It makes be livid that this is happening. I am not a fed and actually know no Feds but I think they serve the rest of us and should be respected.

Of course they will get back pay ASAP, but it does not mean immediately after government reopen. The process takes 4-5 calendar days, it is reasonable.

No, it’s not reasonable. We are owed our pay AND the interest we would have had if we received our money on time!!

You should look into other opportunities- they are going to do what they are going to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Tons were called back last week to work for no pay.
I agree though, they should get back pay asap. It makes be livid that this is happening. I am not a fed and actually know no Feds but I think they serve the rest of us and should be respected.

Of course they will get back pay ASAP, but it does not mean immediately after government reopen. The process takes 4-5 calendar days, it is reasonable.

No, it’s not reasonable. We are owed our pay AND the interest we would have had if we received our money on time!!

I am saying -- 4-5 days is reasonable to process backpay. So people should return as soon as shutdown is over, not until paid in full.

Regarding interest, there is no law saying interest on backpay. Agencies just cannot randomly distribute money as interest.

Well, when your position is deemed as Excepted Service and you accept the position. Basically, you agree to work during a shutdown, but are not paid until funding is restored. It is still fair, it is some kind of employment contract.

So tired of these “you knew what you were getting into” posts. No, as a late-20s attorney hired over a decade ago, I had no idea that we’d have a government this dysfunctional. And before you tell me to just get a private sector job, know that (1) the DC legal market is completely saturated with out of work feds and (2) spouse and I both have very gov-specific specialties that aren’t so easy to transition to private sector mid-career.

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Anonymous wrote:Tons were called back last week to work for no pay.
I agree though, they should get back pay asap. It makes be livid that this is happening. I am not a fed and actually know no Feds but I think they serve the rest of us and should be respected.

Of course they will get back pay ASAP, but it does not mean immediately after government reopen. The process takes 4-5 calendar days, it is reasonable.

No, it’s not reasonable. We are owed our pay AND the interest we would have had if we received our money on time!!

I am saying -- 4-5 days is reasonable to process backpay. So people should return as soon as shutdown is over, not until paid in full.

Regarding interest, there is no law saying interest on backpay. Agencies just cannot randomly distribute money as interest.

Well, when your position is deemed as Excepted Service and you accept the position. Basically, you agree to work during a shutdown, but are not paid until funding is restored. It is still fair, it is some kind of employment contract.

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Anonymous wrote:Tons were called back last week to work for no pay.
I agree though, they should get back pay asap. It makes be livid that this is happening. I am not a fed and actually know no Feds but I think they serve the rest of us and should be respected.

Of course they will get back pay ASAP, but it does not mean immediately after government reopen. The process takes 4-5 calendar days, it is reasonable.

No, it’s not reasonable. We are owed our pay AND the interest we would have had if we received our money on time!!

And missing out on TSP contributions and interest.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s all.

Ah the right wing trolls are here with some more bad ideas.

No easier way to RIF than AWOL.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE

You’d think that! Wait until you have an employee who does goes awol. Still 3-6 months to fire.

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Anonymous wrote:Tons were called back last week to work for no pay.
I agree though, they should get back pay asap. It makes be livid that this is happening. I am not a fed and actually know no Feds but I think they serve the rest of us and should be respected.

Of course they will get back pay ASAP, but it does not mean immediately after government reopen. The process takes 4-5 calendar days, it is reasonable.

No, it’s not reasonable. We are owed our pay AND the interest we would have had if we received our money on time!!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an excepted employee so I have to keep working without pay. It’s not like people would die if I didn’t do my job either. I’d rather be at home not working knowing I’ll get back pay.

Yeah, maybe for a month but now it’s getting scary. The longer this drags on the less likely I believe others will be made whole. Additionally, in a normal employment context there would be damages and restitution for withholding pay like this. We aren’t getting that. So we’re taking on debt and spending our savings, making life decisions that affect our futures, with the hope that maybe some day we will get the salary we were promised. That’s not enough. You should get back pay and then some.

+ 100

Any other employer would be required to provide damages. I had a private employer who funded our 401ks incorrectly and they had to both back pay the money AND the returns.