Anonymous wrote:I don’t think anyone said it wouldn’t affect crime, although I think it’s mostly the huge increase in pretext stops.

The question is 1) is this sustainable 2) is it cost effective vs other strategies 3) is it constitutional

WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal agent fired shots at an unarmed Black man during a recent traffic stop while patrolling the nation’s capital for President Donald Trump’s law-enforcement surge. But a police report on the encounter doesn’t mention the shooting, an omission that the man’s attorneys point to as evidence of a cover-up attempt.

The Metropolitan Police Department is investigating the shooting by a Homeland Security Investigations agent, who was with police officers and other federal agents when they stopped a car driven by Phillip M. Brown on Oct. 17.

Brown, 33, of Hyattsville, Maryland, wasn’t injured in the shooting. He was jailed for three days on a charge that he fled from law enforcement, but a judge has already dismissed the case.

Brown’s lawyers claim the police department tried to cover up the shooting by leaving it out of the police report and refusing to provide them with video from police body cameras. At a court hearing for Brown’s criminal case, a police officer testified that he was instructed not to include the shooting in the police report, according to civil rights attorneys Bernadette Armand and E. Paige White. They said police also failed to disclose the shooting to a prosecutor assigned to the case.

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Anonymous wrote:One would have to record National Guard patrol areas, times vs crimes record in those pre, during and post National Guard. In addition you would have to account for the reduction of the number people visiting DC because of armed soldiers patrolling the streets. Less people less crime.

Now the National Guard does not go in to the areas where crime is high. They walk around the mall eating ice cream. NG can not do police work.

So why would there be an impact on crime?


Now let’s talk about the cost.

DC national guard has cost $201 million to September 16th alone. DC NG accounts for 36% of the force deployed. So somewhere north of $585 million for the other states NG.

Is it worth $780 million dollars the non existent results?

By the way, $780 million is enough money to give every DC resident living below the poverty line an $8,200 check. It's enough to give every single-parent household 6 months of free childcare. It's enough to house every homeless person and feed every hungry family for multiple years. It's enough to pay for 10 hours a week of private tutoring for every single DCPS student.

If you want to focus solely on reducing crime it's also enough to pay 5,200 extra cops for a year assuming a very generous $150k total comp.

It's unconscionable that we're wasting that kind of money on the National Guard just standing around.

A 100 percent reduction in the murder rate because the NG patrolling populated areas frees cops up to do their work is not a “waste of money.” I like less murders. Sorry if that is a controversial point in these hyperpoliticized times.

I did not, and would never, vote for Trump if that matters. But I also am not a delusional partisan hack.

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Anonymous wrote:One would have to record National Guard patrol areas, times vs crimes record in those pre, during and post National Guard. In addition you would have to account for the reduction of the number people visiting DC because of armed soldiers patrolling the streets. Less people less crime.

Now the National Guard does not go in to the areas where crime is high. They walk around the mall eating ice cream. NG can not do police work.

So why would there be an impact on crime?


Now let’s talk about the cost.

DC national guard has cost $201 million to September 16th alone. DC NG accounts for 36% of the force deployed. So somewhere north of $585 million for the other states NG.

Is it worth $780 million dollars the non existent results?

By the way, $780 million is enough money to give every DC resident living below the poverty line an $8,200 check. It's enough to give every single-parent household 6 months of free childcare. It's enough to house every homeless person and feed every hungry family for multiple years. It's enough to pay for 10 hours a week of private tutoring for every single DCPS student.

If you want to focus solely on reducing crime it's also enough to pay 5,200 extra cops for a year assuming a very generous $150k total comp.

It's unconscionable that we're wasting that kind of money on the National Guard just standing around.

Anonymous wrote:One would have to record National Guard patrol areas, times vs crimes record in those pre, during and post National Guard. In addition you would have to account for the reduction of the number people visiting DC because of armed soldiers patrolling the streets. Less people less crime.

Now the National Guard does not go in to the areas where crime is high. They walk around the mall eating ice cream. NG can not do police work.

So why would there be an impact on crime?


Now let’s talk about the cost.

DC national guard has cost $201 million to September 16th alone. DC NG accounts for 36% of the force deployed. So somewhere north of $585 million for the other states NG.

Is it worth $780 million dollars the non existent results?

Anonymous wrote:One would have to record National Guard patrol areas, times vs crimes record in those pre, during and post National Guard. In addition you would have to account for the reduction of the number people visiting DC because of armed soldiers patrolling the streets. Less people less crime.

Now the National Guard does not go in to the areas where crime is high. They walk around the mall eating ice cream. NG can not do police work.

So why would there be an impact on crime?


Now let’s talk about the cost.

DC national guard has cost $201 million to September 16th alone. DC NG accounts for 36% of the force deployed. So somewhere north of $585 million for the other states NG.

Is it worth $780 million dollars the non existent results?

Anonymous wrote:There were tons of national guard troops around when a teenager was shot near the national Mall (close enough that bullets hit the air and space museum). They did not prevent the crime and they did not catch the shooter. So no, I don't think they are having an effect. Maybe since it's getting cold and more of the troops are hanging out in the metro it will reduce fare evasion, but I doubt it.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in the U Street/14th/Logan Circle corridor where we have NG troops out front of the house and “guarding” the corner candy store. It’s absolutely ridiculous. They don’t do ANYTHING. And I don’t blame them, btw; they’re just doing what they’re told. It’s not like they’re ICE.

Crime in DC had already been dropping precipitously before they showed up. Anyone who doesn’t recognize that doesn’t know what they’re talking about and is full of shit. No doubt OP is not a DC resident.

We are on course towards a nearly 10 year low in the homicide numbers, and the pace has not changed since the national guard. End of story.

Crime was, depending on what statistics you follow, going slightly down. But not fast enough, and not effectively enough.

Being on course towards a nearly 10 year low, when this has been an absolute crisis for decades that puts American citizens at risk, is not saying anything. That is like losing a pound or two, and acting like your weight loss journey is complete.

The goal is zero violent crimes committed. Zero, not “lowest in ten years. Zero, not “a bit less than last year.”

Anonymous wrote:15 murders from August 12, when the Guard appeared, to October 24. This is almost 6 murders a month. There were 100 murders this year before that, from January 1 to August 11.

Now that it’s about two and a half months in, is there any rational argument that the National Guard’s presence hasn’t brought crime down? Is there anyone operating in good faith that thinks crime has gone up since they started patrolling?

You don’t have to like Trump and don’t have to have voted for him to concede that this has worked.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/dailycrime

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Anonymous wrote:I live in the U Street/14th/Logan Circle corridor where we have NG troops out front of the house and “guarding” the corner candy store. It’s absolutely ridiculous. They don’t do ANYTHING. And I don’t blame them, btw; they’re just doing what they’re told. It’s not like they’re ICE.

Crime in DC had already been dropping precipitously before they showed up. Anyone who doesn’t recognize that doesn’t know what they’re talking about and is full of shit. No doubt OP is not a DC resident.

We are on course towards a nearly 10 year low in the homicide numbers, and the pace has not changed since the national guard. End of story.

Crime was, depending on what statistics you follow, going slightly down. But not fast enough, and not effectively enough.

Being on course towards a nearly 10 year low, when this has been an absolute crisis for decades that puts American citizens at risk, is not saying anything. That is like losing a pound or two, and acting like your weight loss journey is complete.

The goal is zero violent crimes committed. Zero, not “lowest in ten years. Zero, not “a bit less than last year.”

Look dick, the OP was talking about the number of homicides not the overall crime rate, and the fact is that the overall rate is dropping even faster and the NG hasn’t been deployed to the parts of the city where there are lots of homicides anyway.

Wish Jeff had a way of limiting conversations about what goes on about Washington DC to people who actually live here. Because I am convinced that the majority of the Maga posters on this thread and similar threads do not.

I grew up in DC and lived there for over a decade when I was younger. I was forced to leave because of the violence. I could not live with myself putting my children in harm’s way due to DC democrats’ failed policies. I have every right to speak on this issue.

Honestly, I tend to agree that I can’t say the NG itself is behind the decrease in crime, but to argue that the statistics do not show a drastic and unprecedented decline in violent crime. Personally, I tend to believe the much more impactful action was empowering the DC police and fed LE to take action against violent criminals, and flooding the zone with LE.

Has it been solved? No. But Trump has - in one year - managed to make significant progress on an issue that DC’s corrupt liberal leadership has failed to be able to address since the 1950s A problem that has led to many marginalized and minority residents absolutely terrified on leaving their house. The majority of DC residents I know are so damn thankful for Trump’s dedication to their cause because, as a city that voted 90+% against him, it would be easy for him to turn his back, ignore the problem, and let the city continue to burn.

Anonymous wrote:If the NG really wanted to help, they’d patrol the neighborhood alleys and make sure the trash bins are closed to control the rat problem. I mean, as long as they’re here, right? THAT would be useful.