Restaurants not paying their staff appropriately has gotten out of hand

Anonymous wrote:No. 20-22% is still standard. They can ask for whatever they want. You can do your own math and leave what you want.

18-22% is standard for sit-down dining. I give $0.50 or $1 for counter service, mostly because I feel pressured to but I just count this in the total cost, and $2-10 for order pick-up, not more than 10%. Tipping is completely out of hand.

Anonymous wrote:We generally pay cash when we dine out. When servers round the amount down and short us on our change, that amount becomes their tip. We also don’t go back to that restaurant.

This. Or else ask for your correct change. I never tip someone who automatically expects a tip.

Wouldn't necessarily punish the restaurant though, unless the manager condones it. Or if it's a chain restaurant, F them.

Anonymous wrote:sweet frog-yeah the completely self serve frozen yogurt place has a tip area on the screen. the person at the counter literally does nothing except weigh your cup and tell you how much it costs. You do all the serving yourself. The tipping is just getting insane.

Brusters does it too at their drive through window. Totally insane.

If I’m picking up coffee, or a sandwich or something from a counter, I have no problem hitting the No Tip button. If I sit at a table and someone actually serves me and clears my dishes, they get 15%. For really exceptional service, maybe a bit more.

Anonymous wrote:No. 20-22% is still standard. They can ask for whatever they want. You can do your own math and leave what you want.

The percentages that are "standard" have continued to rise through the decades, even as prices also rise. Who decided that 20-22% is standard?

We generally pay cash when we dine out. When servers round the amount down and short us on our change, that amount becomes their tip. We also don’t go back to that restaurant.

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Anonymous wrote:No. 20-22% is still standard. They can ask for whatever they want. You can do your own math and leave what you want.

15-20% is standard when you go by reality and not the "suggested tip" prompts that restaurant owners inflate to make you feel guilty.

When tips are a percentage of the bill it is ridiculous to ever increase the standard percentage over time because the menu prices increasing with inflation does that for you.

Likewise the opposite. A $25 tab in a diner where the waitstaff busts their hump. You know people are leaving $2, $3. I'll leave $10. If you can't afford that you shouldn't go to a diner. I forego the ridiculous $200 restaurants and associated outrageous tip for the effort expended so that I can tip the hard workers a little better.

Anonymous wrote:sweet frog-yeah the completely self serve frozen yogurt place has a tip area on the screen. the person at the counter literally does nothing except weigh your cup and tell you how much it costs. You do all the serving yourself. The tipping is just getting insane.

Be funny if you take some money out of it. "Oh, I thought these tips were for me, since I served myself!"

sweet frog-yeah the completely self serve frozen yogurt place has a tip area on the screen. the person at the counter literally does nothing except weigh your cup and tell you how much it costs. You do all the serving yourself. The tipping is just getting insane.

If I am suggest to tip, I don't tip at all.

If I am required to tip, I don't pay at all.

If I am asked if I need change when paying cash, I don't tip at all and tell them why.

Never assume you are going to get a tip.

Its not even just food service establishments. The other day I took my kids to a place where you pay for pottery pieces and then paint them onsite. The 4 pieces we selected came to $120, and then they wanted 20% gratuity on top of that!

Anonymous wrote:I don’t eat out much but when I go to a counter service restaurant and I’m presented with the tip screen, I have zero problems with entering $0.00 or no tip.

We almost never go out to eat at real restaurants— just counter service places. We did so recently and my 11yo son was looking when I was filling out the credit card slip and saw me putting in the tip. He said, “Wait—you’re supposed to choose NO TIP. That’s what you usually choose.” We got a good laugh out of it. I refuse to tip someone who is just handing me something in a place that has always been tip free.

Anonymous wrote:If you go to Europe, the common practice is to round up the bill to the next Euro and if service was good to great, you may give an extra Euro or two, but no pressure.

In Asia, no tipping. It's based on honor, the thinking being 'you don't need to tip me to do my job well'.

Here in the USA, you are presented with the bill on a tablet that defaults for starters to 25%!

WTH?

Tipping needs to be optional with no set limits. and none from people under 21 or over 65.

If your business can't pay employees enough, don't hire them. If you can't survive without tips, work somewhere else. People who are struggling to even pay the full bill of the products or the services, shouldn't have to pay this extortion tax.

Ones who afford to and willing to be generous can tip discreetly and at their discretion when service is good or they are feeling charitable.

Anonymous wrote:No. 20-22% is still standard. They can ask for whatever they want. You can do your own math and leave what you want.

15-20% is standard when you go by reality and not the "suggested tip" prompts that restaurant owners inflate to make you feel guilty.

When tips are a percentage of the bill it is ridiculous to ever increase the standard percentage over time because the menu prices increasing with inflation does that for you.