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Anonymous wrote:They just announced Nobel winner in Chemistry. 1 of the 3 winners is at a US university, and he is... an immigrant from Jordan.

He is at Berkeley.

He did his most important work at ASU, Michigan and UCLA before moving to Berkeley.

What does “most important work” mean? He only did trivial amount of work at UCB?

He got the job at Berkeley because he'd already done really impressive work. That groundbreaking work was done at those other institutions. That's the work that won him the Prize.

It wasn't like UCB took a bet on a young researcher and nurtured his research. They used their budget and reputation to hire someone already super impressive.

If you're choosing a research institution for your PhD, you want to think about where you can do the most interesting work. It's not always the big shiny institution where the researcher is located when they win accolades, but in the labs at less prestigious institutions that are generating the work that will be awarded prizes in 10-30 years.

+1, Princeton and Berkeley are two schools where this is very rare. They buy talent.

Isn’t Berkeley’s “alumni” Nobel count at 37 at this point. How did they “buy” that talent?

We just explained it. Professors work that wasn’t done at Berkeley who are well liked in the field get offers at Berkeley -> prizes. You don’t get a Nobel right after your research is published.

I think PP’s point is your logic doesn’t apply to actual student alumni or junior faculty that were actually lured to other institutions from Berkeley. That’s a very large number. Berkeley is exceptional at identifying and developing junior faculty.

Meant that’s a large number of Nobels.

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Anonymous wrote:They just announced Nobel winner in Chemistry. 1 of the 3 winners is at a US university, and he is... an immigrant from Jordan.

He is at Berkeley.

He did his most important work at ASU, Michigan and UCLA before moving to Berkeley.

What does “most important work” mean? He only did trivial amount of work at UCB?

He got the job at Berkeley because he'd already done really impressive work. That groundbreaking work was done at those other institutions. That's the work that won him the Prize.

It wasn't like UCB took a bet on a young researcher and nurtured his research. They used their budget and reputation to hire someone already super impressive.

If you're choosing a research institution for your PhD, you want to think about where you can do the most interesting work. It's not always the big shiny institution where the researcher is located when they win accolades, but in the labs at less prestigious institutions that are generating the work that will be awarded prizes in 10-30 years.

+1, Princeton and Berkeley are two schools where this is very rare. They buy talent.

Isn’t Berkeley’s “alumni” Nobel count at 37 at this point. How did they “buy” that talent?

We just explained it. Professors work that wasn’t done at Berkeley who are well liked in the field get offers at Berkeley -> prizes. You don’t get a Nobel right after your research is published.

I think PP’s point is your logic doesn’t apply to actual student alumni or junior faculty that were actually lured to other institutions from Berkeley. That’s a very large number. Berkeley is exceptional at identifying and developing junior faculty.

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Anonymous wrote:All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see another Nobel laureate from UVA again.

All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see ANY Nobel laureate from UVA.

Fixed it for you

Last two VA schools to win it are VCU and GMU. It's possible but UVA/VA Tech have the isolation working against them. The older prestigious professors can do more work near larger cities and they don't need validation from a T10 school.

That old UCSB/Yale guy that won - he also works at Google.

Cornell is isolated in a city smaller the Charlottesville, but it still churns out Nobel winners

No graduate of UVA has ever won a Nobel Prize.

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Anonymous wrote:All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see another Nobel laureate from UVA again.

All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see ANY Nobel laureate from UVA.

Fixed it for you

Last two VA schools to win it are VCU and GMU. It's possible but UVA/VA Tech have the isolation working against them. The older prestigious professors can do more work near larger cities and they don't need validation from a T10 school.

That old UCSB/Yale guy that won - he also works at Google.

Cornell is isolated in a city smaller the Charlottesville, but it still churns out Nobel winners

Let me rephrase - unless you are a school with established facilities like: Lawrence Livermore for Berkeley or JPL for Caltech or Fermilab for U. of Chicago or Brookhaven for Cornell ... These are all Federal labs run mainly by universities.

then you need to attract a professor who likely is a candidate for a Nobel Prize. Those chances are greater for urban campuses as they can be part other organizations. GMU Law is a perfect example of attracting Federal/Supreme Court judges primarily because of geography. Yes I know Georgetown law is near by but Georgetown is established and the fight on who's top dog begins. GMU is nearby and it's clear who's MJ on this team. Until the Berkeley dude wins a Nobel Prize that dude is always second chair at UMD but probably Dept Head at GMU.

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Anonymous wrote:All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see another Nobel laureate from UVA again.

All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see ANY Nobel laureate from UVA.

Fixed it for you

Last two VA schools to win it are VCU and GMU. It's possible but UVA/VA Tech have the isolation working against them. The older prestigious professors can do more work near larger cities and they don't need validation from a T10 school.

That old UCSB/Yale guy that won - he also works at Google.

I think VCU and GMU are the only Virginia schools.

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Anonymous wrote:All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see another Nobel laureate from UVA again.

All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see ANY Nobel laureate from UVA.

Fixed it for you

Last two VA schools to win it are VCU and GMU. It's possible but UVA/VA Tech have the isolation working against them. The older prestigious professors can do more work near larger cities and they don't need validation from a T10 school.

That old UCSB/Yale guy that won - he also works at Google.

Cornell is isolated in a city smaller the Charlottesville, but it still churns out Nobel winners

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Anonymous wrote:All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see another Nobel laureate from UVA again.

All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see ANY Nobel laureate from UVA.

Fixed it for you

Last two VA schools to win it are VCU and GMU. It's possible but UVA/VA Tech have the isolation working against them. The older prestigious professors can do more work near larger cities and they don't need validation from a T10 school.

That old UCSB/Yale guy that won - he also works at Google.

It’s really exciting to get a Nobel Prize at Berkeley because you get a dedicated parking space and free parking for life. Berkeley has” “Reserved for NL” spaces. If you are a Field Medal winner you also get a dedicated space that you choose.

When I was a student at Berkeley professors would joke how they wanted to win a Nobel Prize for the parking pass because even professors had to pay for parking and arrive early to find a parking space.

Last year, an American won every Nobel prize except Peace (which went to an organiztion) and Literature.

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Anonymous wrote:They just announced Nobel winner in Chemistry. 1 of the 3 winners is at a US university, and he is... an immigrant from Jordan.

The Nobel prize isn't an American award.

Yes, it's the top award in most academic fields, except math (Fields Medal for that one). My point was that the US does disproportionately well in winning Nobel prizes (excluding Peace and Literature), but a lot of the US winners are immigrants, showing one benefit of immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:They just announced Nobel winner in Chemistry. 1 of the 3 winners is at a US university, and he is... an immigrant from Jordan.

He is at Berkeley.

He did his most important work at ASU, Michigan and UCLA before moving to Berkeley.

What does “most important work” mean? He only did trivial amount of work at UCB?

He got the job at Berkeley because he'd already done really impressive work. That groundbreaking work was done at those other institutions. That's the work that won him the Prize.

It wasn't like UCB took a bet on a young researcher and nurtured his research. They used their budget and reputation to hire someone already super impressive.

If you're choosing a research institution for your PhD, you want to think about where you can do the most interesting work. It's not always the big shiny institution where the researcher is located when they win accolades, but in the labs at less prestigious institutions that are generating the work that will be awarded prizes in 10-30 years.

+1, Princeton and Berkeley are two schools where this is very rare. They buy talent.

One of the winning Physicists who is now a prof at UCSB was also an undergrad at Berkeley. How is that buying talent?

Anonymous wrote:All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see another Nobel laureate from UVA again.

All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see ANY Nobel laureate from UVA.

Fixed it for you

All the Nobel laureates funnel from the same 15 institutions. I doubt we will ever see another Nobel laureate from UVA again.

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Anonymous wrote:They just announced Nobel winner in Chemistry. 1 of the 3 winners is at a US university, and he is... an immigrant from Jordan.

He is at Berkeley.

He did his most important work at ASU, Michigan and UCLA before moving to Berkeley.

What does “most important work” mean? He only did trivial amount of work at UCB?

He got the job at Berkeley because he'd already done really impressive work. That groundbreaking work was done at those other institutions. That's the work that won him the Prize.

It wasn't like UCB took a bet on a young researcher and nurtured his research. They used their budget and reputation to hire someone already super impressive.

If you're choosing a research institution for your PhD, you want to think about where you can do the most interesting work. It's not always the big shiny institution where the researcher is located when they win accolades, but in the labs at less prestigious institutions that are generating the work that will be awarded prizes in 10-30 years.

+1, Princeton and Berkeley are two schools where this is very rare. They buy talent.

Isn’t Berkeley’s “alumni” Nobel count at 37 at this point. How did they “buy” that talent?

We just explained it. Professors work that wasn’t done at Berkeley who are well liked in the field get offers at Berkeley -> prizes. You don’t get a Nobel right after your research is published.