Anonymous wrote:It is the other way around, a high GPA is making AI less impressive

but AI is often the reason for that higher GPA

It is the other way around, a high GPA is making AI less impressive

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Anonymous wrote:Whether it be middle, high school or college.

From AI study tools to using ChatGPT for essays.

Study found that AI-generated exam answers scored higher on average than those of real students and were rarely flagged by human markers.

So is the human voice being undetected and are teachers/professors being fooled?

There is a huge difference between using AI study tools and having AI do your homework for you. My kid uses Notebook LM for a science class where the teacher doesn’t teach and he needs to learn the content. That is far different from cheating by looking up answers or having ChatGPT write assignments.

AI can be used to support deeper understanding of materials or can be used in a way that takes away deep understanding of materials. These should not be lumped together.

A science class that the teachers don't teach??! What school is that?

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Yes, finally you can show off your “well-roundedness”, i.e., dumbness.

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Anonymous wrote:It has all but confirmed low GPAs are almost idiots.

You’re not an idiot!

Top students have always been the biggest cheaters. Obsession with grades and the home pressure created monsters. It’s not surprising that they are the ones using AI as a cheating source.

Some but not all. What about the great writers in a pen and paper test or the math wizards in a calculus scantron?

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Anonymous wrote:The valedictorian of my high school class went on to U Chicago; he didn't have an unweighted 4.0. Neither, obviously, did the lower-ranked students who attended Duck, UPenn, Swarthmore , Brown and other top schools that I've now forgotten.

Similarly, our valedictorian had a 1500 SAT, the highest in our class.

All of that is table stakes today. My son has a 4.0/1500 and it guarantees him nothing.

But here's the problem: when the top end of the GPA/SAT distribution is capped off through grade inflation, GPA/SAT are no longer meaningful signals for admissions officers and so they have to rely on other factors, extracurriculars, essays, and so forth.

This is SO harmful in my view: first, kids have to spend so much time chasing these activities outside of class that they can't just be kids anymore. And second, it increases their stress levels, because their chances of admission are dictated by subjective factors. We try to tell them that college admissions isn't a judgment on their worth as a human being, but when admissions are decided by all these subjective factors about yourself then to a large degree colleges ARE judging your worth as a human being rather than your achievement as a student.

Get rid of GPA/SAT inflation and life becomes simpler for students.

Anonymous wrote:Grade inflation is making a high GPA less impressive.

1500 encompasses 2% of the students. Nowadays you need go above a cutoff of 1% or 0.5% to distinguish from the others. Caltech uses a bracket system, 1560+ is in the top bracket.

what about 4.0 gpa test optional kids?

Yep

Anonymous wrote:The valedictorian of my high school class went on to U Chicago; he didn't have an unweighted 4.0. Neither, obviously, did the lower-ranked students who attended Duck, UPenn, Swarthmore , Brown and other top schools that I've now forgotten.

Similarly, our valedictorian had a 1500 SAT, the highest in our class.

All of that is table stakes today. My son has a 4.0/1500 and it guarantees him nothing.

But here's the problem: when the top end of the GPA/SAT distribution is capped off through grade inflation, GPA/SAT are no longer meaningful signals for admissions officers and so they have to rely on other factors, extracurriculars, essays, and so forth.

This is SO harmful in my view: first, kids have to spend so much time chasing these activities outside of class that they can't just be kids anymore. And second, it increases their stress levels, because their chances of admission are dictated by subjective factors. We try to tell them that college admissions isn't a judgment on their worth as a human being, but when admissions are decided by all these subjective factors about yourself then to a large degree colleges ARE judging your worth as a human being rather than your achievement as a student.

Get rid of GPA/SAT inflation and life becomes simpler for students.

Anonymous wrote:Grade inflation is making a high GPA less impressive.

1500 encompasses 2% of the students. Nowadays you need go above a cutoff of 1% or 0.5% to distinguish from the others. Caltech uses a bracket system, 1560+ is in the top bracket.

The valedictorian of my high school class went on to U Chicago; he didn't have an unweighted 4.0. Neither, obviously, did the lower-ranked students who attended Duck, UPenn, Swarthmore , Brown and other top schools that I've now forgotten.

Similarly, our valedictorian had a 1500 SAT, the highest in our class.

All of that is table stakes today. My son has a 4.0/1500 and it guarantees him nothing.

But here's the problem: when the top end of the GPA/SAT distribution is capped off through grade inflation, GPA/SAT are no longer meaningful signals for admissions officers and so they have to rely on other factors, extracurriculars, essays, and so forth.

This is SO harmful in my view: first, kids have to spend so much time chasing these activities outside of class that they can't just be kids anymore. And second, it increases their stress levels, because their chances of admission are dictated by subjective factors. We try to tell them that college admissions isn't a judgment on their worth as a human being, but when admissions are decided by all these subjective factors about yourself then to a large degree colleges ARE judging your worth as a human being rather than your achievement as a student.

Get rid of GPA/SAT inflation and life becomes simpler for students.

Anonymous wrote:Grade inflation is making a high GPA less impressive.

Anonymous wrote:Grade inflation is making a high GPA less impressive.

This ^^

Anonymous wrote:It has all but confirmed low GPAs are almost idiots.

You’re not an idiot!

Top students have always been the biggest cheaters. Obsession with grades and the home pressure created monsters. It’s not surprising that they are the ones using AI as a cheating source.

Welcome to the new American educational system where cheating to the top is normalized. Last evening, I was on a call talking about this very issue.

Mass cheating is definitely a problem here in Howard County and especially at my child's high school. There is this particular student who knows how to hack into teacher's upcoming exams, use all types of devices and tools to cheat on assignments and exams. Students have reported cheating, but the school's administrators have turned a blind eye because they are more concern about the school's reputation instead of punishing offenders.

Wait until you all discover how students are cheating on the Digital SAT, academic competitions like AMC, and other academic exams. In addition, there are folks making money on the dark web selling and leaking answers to students. AI helps with GPA, purchasing answers on Discord or other online chat forums helps with academic competitions, and running a device on your personal computer that can surpass the College Board's weak detection blockers helps with the SAT.

Schools and testing organizations need to go back to paper exams.

Here are some discussions and articles about the cheating phenomenon that is currently going on. The cheating situation is much deeper and darker than AI.

https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/tutors-sound-the-alarm-on-cheating-on-digital-sat-8292250/

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/28/us/politics/sat-college-board-cheating.html

https://tatler.lakesideschool.org/5784/showcase/scandal-how-various-organizations-leaked-americas-biggest-math-test/

My kid's public made them write all essays in class and on paper. This helped her to be able to write a strong first draft essay of 5 pages+ in a limited time period.

Her college now mostly has essays had written in class. She is given graded work back for editing and refining for a follow up grade. This eliminates the AI option.

I read an article a while ago that suggested more colleges move graded work to things completed in class. This way all work is authentic.