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Anonymous wrote:Law/med/any grad school/Phd/MBA

We will pay for all. Not super rich but we have lived a frugal lifestyle to give leg-up to our kids. Education is on us.

Well, good for you and it's your money but it's also stupid. You can give your kids a "leg up" in plenty of other ways. You don't have to pay for every cent of a decades long education to do it.

No, it is not stupid at all. Especially, if you have raised great kids and given them many "leg ups". It is a waste only if you have raised substandard kids or have created a poor dysfunctional family life for them. Don't have children if you will give them a bad life.

We have given many leg ups to our children - starting from a functional, intact and happy family life, highly educated parents, loving and supportive extended family, extensive and close-knit social network, emphasis on education, healthy lifestyle, adulting skills, trilingual education, exposure to multiple cultures and travel, no abuse/addiction/adultry in family, treating all kids equally, having only two children.

So, selfish parents are quick to have sex and create children but are reluctant to pay for education? Use a condom if you cannot support your children to get the an education for a good career.

K-12 is free education in public schools, so there is zero reasons for parents to not pay for undergrad, grad and post grad education. What else have they paid for their kids? Basic needs are fulfilled by every parent. That is not the end all.

Totally agree - why bother having kids if you can't support them and give them a good start in life. I spent my college years working 40 hours a week and having 2-3 jobs over the summer. I went to law school because it was the quickest route to making the most money and I paid for it with loans. I didn't enjoy any of it. I don't want the same for my kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Law/med/any grad school/Phd/MBA

We will pay for all. Not super rich but we have lived a frugal lifestyle to give leg-up to our kids. Education is on us.

Well, good for you and it's your money but it's also stupid. You can give your kids a "leg up" in plenty of other ways. You don't have to pay for every cent of a decades long education to do it.

No, it is not stupid at all. Especially, if you have raised great kids and given them many "leg ups". It is a waste only if you have raised substandard kids or have created a poor dysfunctional family life for them. Don't have children if you will give them a bad life.

We have given many leg ups to our children - starting from a functional, intact and happy family life, highly educated parents, loving and supportive extended family, extensive and close-knit social network, emphasis on education, healthy lifestyle, adulting skills, trilingual education, exposure to multiple cultures and travel, no abuse/addiction/adultry in family, treating all kids equally, having only two children.

So, selfish parents are quick to have sex and create children but are reluctant to pay for education? Use a condom if you cannot support your children to get the an education for a good career.

K-12 is free education in public schools, so there is zero reasons for parents to not pay for undergrad, grad and post grad education. What else have they paid for their kids? Basic needs are fulfilled by every parent. That is not the end all.

But it's stupid if your kid hasn't shown any real interest in law school, but now magically expresses an interest because their career prospects from undergrad suck.

That profile is like 50% of law school kids, which is why there are so many unhappy lawyers...and many unsuccessful law school grads.

Similarly, if you have to pay for a PhD then your kid did something wrong because the best programs are fully funded, with a small stipend. Maybe you provide some $$$s to augment their lifestyle, but it's minimal.

One would think you would apply some analytics to the situation.

No, we're paying.

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Anonymous wrote:Law/med/any grad school/Phd/MBA

We will pay for all. Not super rich but we have lived a frugal lifestyle to give leg-up to our kids. Education is on us.

Well, good for you and it's your money but it's also stupid. You can give your kids a "leg up" in plenty of other ways. You don't have to pay for every cent of a decades long education to do it.

No, it is not stupid at all. Especially, if you have raised great kids and given them many "leg ups". It is a waste only if you have raised substandard kids or have created a poor dysfunctional family life for them. Don't have children if you will give them a bad life.

We have given many leg ups to our children - starting from a functional, intact and happy family life, highly educated parents, loving and supportive extended family, extensive and close-knit social network, emphasis on education, healthy lifestyle, adulting skills, trilingual education, exposure to multiple cultures and travel, no abuse/addiction/adultry in family, treating all kids equally, having only two children.

So, selfish parents are quick to have sex and create children but are reluctant to pay for education? Use a condom if you cannot support your children to get the an education for a good career.

K-12 is free education in public schools, so there is zero reasons for parents to not pay for undergrad, grad and post grad education. What else have they paid for their kids? Basic needs are fulfilled by every parent. That is not the end all.

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Anonymous wrote:Most private medical schools have parents paying. My spouse is on the admissions committee of one and >70% of their matriculants have parents paying cash.
It's a rich person's profession.

Bullshit. Med school AdComs don't know that applicant parents are paying or paying in cash. Why spread lies like this?

Huh? Not bull shit at all. They find out the demographics of the incoming class after the fact. The percentage of kids taking loans is carefully monitored by any medical school as it's a concern of the office.

Uh huh. That doesn't mean they know that it's 70 percent parents paying in cash.

He said matriculants, not applicants. I believe it. I know a lot of doctors and those studying to be. With almost no exception, they are all wealthy. They’re hard workers for sure, but the lack of financial worry makes it a smoother ride.

They're not polling the matriculations to see how they're paying the tuition and whether the parents are paying and how they're paying. The bottom line is either you're making this up or just guessing.

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Anonymous wrote:Most private medical schools have parents paying. My spouse is on the admissions committee of one and >70% of their matriculants have parents paying cash.
It's a rich person's profession.

Bullshit. Med school AdComs don't know that applicant parents are paying or paying in cash. Why spread lies like this?

Huh? Not bull shit at all. They find out the demographics of the incoming class after the fact. The percentage of kids taking loans is carefully monitored by any medical school as it's a concern of the office.

Uh huh. That doesn't mean they know that it's 70 percent parents paying in cash.

He said matriculants, not applicants. I believe it. I know a lot of doctors and those studying to be. With almost no exception, they are all wealthy. They’re hard workers for sure, but the lack of financial worry makes it a smoother ride.

Depends who you know then. Half of my ivy med school was on loans, the other half had parents paying. I remain in contact with many at the school who are on admissions comm as I once was, and more than half take out loans now. They also have a lot more merit to offer now.
No ad comms would know if parents were paying, btw. Only bursar would know. That is BS.

Of my current large multispecialty practice, docs aged 33-59, 40% of us took out full loans, the rest had partial to full parent support.

My parents paid tuition for law school, and I covered living expenses. I was motivated to do well enough to get paid clerkships after 1L and 2L. Paid off the small loan I took out for first-year living expenses from the big law signing bonus in 3 months of work. Worth noting that although I don't know their exact net worth, it's gotta be over $20m. I would love to help my kids beyond undergrad and while we do okay, we have nowhere near that net worth, so it's probably not happening.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are full pay for undergrad, will you make your DC use loans to pay for law or med school or help them out? Both DCs talking about law/med, and we hadn’t planned for this. Because of our income they won’t qualify for aid.

Can't they be declared independent for grad school and apply for loans that don't reflect your finances? I think it is increasingly becoming popular to work for a year or two, particularly before law school, which would make this even easier (plus they could save up a little bit, though probably not much).

It was very difficult to get independent status even over 25 years ago when I went to law school. I was married and on my own for a number of years and they still wanted to see my single mother's finances. I got some financial aid for law school (basically a scholarship that paid for a little less than half of my tuition) and in those days it was practically unheard of outside merit aid because my family really was dirt poor - the rest I paid for through loans. From what I hear, these days law schools are a bit more generous, but not by a whole lot.

US MD programs lead to high-paying careers with even the lowest paid fields making 200k+. Loans are fairly easy to pay off in 10-15 years. Most of my adult friends are docs and over half of us paid it all ourselves in the early 2000s and the only one who took a longer time than 15 yrs to payoff had a spouse who was stay at home. The rest of us married other docs or lawyers, often with their own loans but two large incomes is still better than one.
If you keep living expenses low it is not too hard, especially since medical residents make 75-80k now and we made 28-30k then, ie rent was a much higher % of our income ($800-900 a month then, same area is now $1500-1700/mo, East Coast cityish).

Merit has also improved in leaps and bounds for top med schools. I went to a T5 and DW went to a T20. My med school gave sizable fellowships to about 1/4 of us based on merit, hers gave smaller merit to about 1/3 of students. We each got merit! Each of our schools gives much more merit now. These days most Top 20 research med schools have large merit scholarships and fellowships sometimes available to all students, other schools students still compete for them as we did. Even T50-75 programs have merit scholarships available.
Additionally most schools have some need based aid though it does require lots of need. That was not available in the 2000s, even as a pell grant kid undergrad, no need aid for even top med programs.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are full pay for undergrad, will you make your DC use loans to pay for law or med school or help them out? Both DCs talking about law/med, and we hadn’t planned for this. Because of our income they won’t qualify for aid.

It wouldn't matter that you "qualified for aid." That's an undergrad thing. They don't give financial aid to law students. It's merit aid or student loans.

False. Financial aid exists for law school. Once again you fill out the FAFSA.

Yea, loans.

Anonymous wrote:For medical school, the military offers amazing scholarships and then you only owe four years.

My niece’s husband did the reverse - went into the military and then used GI Bill benefits to pay for med school.

We will be assisting DC for a T4 full freight. He will submit the FAFSA which will provide $50k a year in federal unsubsidized loans. We will provide the rest, which is a lot. Harvard Law is $121k a year for a small dorm room. Total COA if you have an apartment is about $140k or more, so we will pay that minus the $50k.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know if school policies have changed, but when DH went to ivy law school the financial aid application required parents’ info if student hadn’t been financially independent for at least 7 years. So school expected parents to help pay.

This. Harvard has a sliding scale of independent student contribution for more mature students. As the student approaches his or her 30s, the amount of parental expected contribution is lessened.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are full pay for undergrad, will you make your DC use loans to pay for law or med school or help them out? Both DCs talking about law/med, and we hadn’t planned for this. Because of our income they won’t qualify for aid.

It wouldn't matter that you "qualified for aid." That's an undergrad thing. They don't give financial aid to law students. It's merit aid or student loans.

False. Financial aid exists for law school. Once again you fill out the FAFSA.

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Anonymous wrote:Most private medical schools have parents paying. My spouse is on the admissions committee of one and >70% of their matriculants have parents paying cash.
It's a rich person's profession.

Bullshit. Med school AdComs don't know that applicant parents are paying or paying in cash. Why spread lies like this?

Huh? Not bull shit at all. They find out the demographics of the incoming class after the fact. The percentage of kids taking loans is carefully monitored by any medical school as it's a concern of the office.

Uh huh. That doesn't mean they know that it's 70 percent parents paying in cash.

He said matriculants, not applicants. I believe it. I know a lot of doctors and those studying to be. With almost no exception, they are all wealthy. They’re hard workers for sure, but the lack of financial worry makes it a smoother ride.