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Anonymous wrote:Lots of places have high real estate prices and not great public schools, especially in cities. One problem you'll find in DC is that parents come in with the intention that they put their kids in DCPS, and find that they are happy enough with the local elementary school that pulls from their neighborhood, but then the feeder pattern is not good and because of combining several not great elementary schools and the student attrition to charters, they realize their kid will now be at a middle or high school where 10% of students are at grade level and 0% are above, and that's a whole different proposition. DCPS won't differentiate, so their kids end up in class with students several grade levels behind. It's not good and so people leave.

No the reality is that lots of families lottery for the high in demand charters, especially the immersion ones, but don’t get in and seattle for DCPS for elementary

I was describing the experience for some Hill and Hill-adjacent elementary schools, which have a lot of neighborhood buy in but have a tough feeder path (and especially for Jefferson). There isn't much talk of charters around here until third or fourth grade when people realize the reality of the middle school situation and put all of their hope into getting into Latin or BASIS. YMMV in other neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of places have high real estate prices and not great public schools, especially in cities. One problem you'll find in DC is that parents come in with the intention that they put their kids in DCPS, and find that they are happy enough with the local elementary school that pulls from their neighborhood, but then the feeder pattern is not good and because of combining several not great elementary schools and the student attrition to charters, they realize their kid will now be at a middle or high school where 10% of students are at grade level and 0% are above, and that's a whole different proposition. DCPS won't differentiate, so their kids end up in class with students several grade levels behind. It's not good and so people leave.

No the reality is that lots of families lottery for the high in demand charters, especially the immersion ones, but don’t get in and seattle for DCPS for elementary

this is a 2017 take. DCPS elemantary even EOTP is now more desirable than charters.

Some DCPS elementaries. Just as some charters are still in high demand and others not.

And a lot of it has to do with feeder patterns more so than the actual schools. We are IB for Whittier and most families do think it’s a wonderful school but don’t feel the same about Wells and Coolidge. So they lottery for immersion charters not necessarily because they’re higher performing schools but because they need the shot at DCI.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of places have high real estate prices and not great public schools, especially in cities. One problem you'll find in DC is that parents come in with the intention that they put their kids in DCPS, and find that they are happy enough with the local elementary school that pulls from their neighborhood, but then the feeder pattern is not good and because of combining several not great elementary schools and the student attrition to charters, they realize their kid will now be at a middle or high school where 10% of students are at grade level and 0% are above, and that's a whole different proposition. DCPS won't differentiate, so their kids end up in class with students several grade levels behind. It's not good and so people leave.

No the reality is that lots of families lottery for the high in demand charters, especially the immersion ones, but don’t get in and seattle for DCPS for elementary

this is a 2017 take. DCPS elemantary even EOTP is now more desirable than charters.

Some DCPS elementaries. Just as some charters are still in high demand and others not.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of places have high real estate prices and not great public schools, especially in cities. One problem you'll find in DC is that parents come in with the intention that they put their kids in DCPS, and find that they are happy enough with the local elementary school that pulls from their neighborhood, but then the feeder pattern is not good and because of combining several not great elementary schools and the student attrition to charters, they realize their kid will now be at a middle or high school where 10% of students are at grade level and 0% are above, and that's a whole different proposition. DCPS won't differentiate, so their kids end up in class with students several grade levels behind. It's not good and so people leave.

No the reality is that lots of families lottery for the high in demand charters, especially the immersion ones, but don’t get in and seattle for DCPS for elementary

this is a 2017 take. DCPS elemantary even EOTP is now more desirable than charters.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of places have high real estate prices and not great public schools, especially in cities. One problem you'll find in DC is that parents come in with the intention that they put their kids in DCPS, and find that they are happy enough with the local elementary school that pulls from their neighborhood, but then the feeder pattern is not good and because of combining several not great elementary schools and the student attrition to charters, they realize their kid will now be at a middle or high school where 10% of students are at grade level and 0% are above, and that's a whole different proposition. DCPS won't differentiate, so their kids end up in class with students several grade levels behind. It's not good and so people leave.

No the reality is that lots of families lottery for the high in demand charters, especially the immersion ones, but don’t get in and seattle for DCPS for elementary

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of places have high real estate prices and not great public schools, especially in cities. One problem you'll find in DC is that parents come in with the intention that they put their kids in DCPS, and find that they are happy enough with the local elementary school that pulls from their neighborhood, but then the feeder pattern is not good and because of combining several not great elementary schools and the student attrition to charters, they realize their kid will now be at a middle or high school where 10% of students are at grade level and 0% are above, and that's a whole different proposition. DCPS won't differentiate, so their kids end up in class with students several grade levels behind. It's not good and so people leave.

No the reality is that lots of families lottery for the high in demand charters, especially the immersion ones, but don’t get in and seattle for DCPS for elementary

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Anonymous wrote:My eyes are glazing over from reading all the bullshit on this thread, but there's an easy answer to OP's question on the home values: most home buyers don't care about the quality of the local public schools and make their buying decisions on a whole host of factors. It's a common misconception on this board that the perceived quality of the public schools is the be all and end all when not comes to home values and that's just not true. Only a minority of home buyers ever plan to use the schools in many close in neighborhoods, and many couldn't even tell you what the schools are.

This. In the DC real estate market, UMC buyers with school-age children considering enrolling the kids in public schools are a tiny fraction of buyers overall. I've been on CH for 30 years, and it's easy to see that far more empty nesters are buying these days than even 10 years ago.

The northwest premium per square foot makes zero sense without accounting for school. There’s even a big discontinuity between houses zoned for Deal and JR off 16th street and and those that aren’t.

The northwest premium is more because of an outdated prejudice. The perception is that if you are a successful white person you will either live in NW or on Capitol Hill. It takes a slightly countercultural person who has lived here for more than a year or two to even look outside of those boundaries.

Above is true. But I will say that there are many UMC families like ours who do not live in those areas and live EOTP who are at charters. In my kid’s group of friends, parents are doctors, lawyers, etc…

We could afford WOTP or CH but chose not to move there or to the burbs because we got into a charter we were happy with and now are at DCI.

Charters are what is keeping UMC families in the city. Otherwise we would have moved to the burbs. IMO ROI for schools better in burns than WOTP.

That's true. Brookland is full of high achieving parents, mostly sending their kids to charters.

Absolutely. And my family is among them. You get more for your money in NE, in general. And I'm grateful, in all of this federal uncertainty, to have an affordable mortgage.

We are at one of the immersion charters and wanted to be close to downtown but not pay CH prices. We go downtown all the time for events, etc…. Lots of our kid’s friends are in Brookland where you can get a SFH but further from downtown.

We bought at a good time and the money saved allowed us to buy a beach house at the DE beaches. No regrets whatsoever. Love being 10-15 minutes from downtown.

Forgot to add, we are just north of CH by H St/ NOMA

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Anonymous wrote:My eyes are glazing over from reading all the bullshit on this thread, but there's an easy answer to OP's question on the home values: most home buyers don't care about the quality of the local public schools and make their buying decisions on a whole host of factors. It's a common misconception on this board that the perceived quality of the public schools is the be all and end all when not comes to home values and that's just not true. Only a minority of home buyers ever plan to use the schools in many close in neighborhoods, and many couldn't even tell you what the schools are.

This. In the DC real estate market, UMC buyers with school-age children considering enrolling the kids in public schools are a tiny fraction of buyers overall. I've been on CH for 30 years, and it's easy to see that far more empty nesters are buying these days than even 10 years ago.

The northwest premium per square foot makes zero sense without accounting for school. There’s even a big discontinuity between houses zoned for Deal and JR off 16th street and and those that aren’t.

The northwest premium is more because of an outdated prejudice. The perception is that if you are a successful white person you will either live in NW or on Capitol Hill. It takes a slightly countercultural person who has lived here for more than a year or two to even look outside of those boundaries.

Above is true. But I will say that there are many UMC families like ours who do not live in those areas and live EOTP who are at charters. In my kid’s group of friends, parents are doctors, lawyers, etc…

We could afford WOTP or CH but chose not to move there or to the burbs because we got into a charter we were happy with and now are at DCI.

Charters are what is keeping UMC families in the city. Otherwise we would have moved to the burbs. IMO ROI for schools better in burns than WOTP.

That's true. Brookland is full of high achieving parents, mostly sending their kids to charters.

Absolutely. And my family is among them. You get more for your money in NE, in general. And I'm grateful, in all of this federal uncertainty, to have an affordable mortgage.

We are at one of the immersion charters and wanted to be close to downtown but not pay CH prices. We go downtown all the time for events, etc…. Lots of our kid’s friends are in Brookland where you can get a SFH but further from downtown.

We bought at a good time and the money saved allowed us to buy a beach house at the DE beaches. No regrets whatsoever. Love being 10-15 minutes from downtown.

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Anonymous wrote:My eyes are glazing over from reading all the bullshit on this thread, but there's an easy answer to OP's question on the home values: most home buyers don't care about the quality of the local public schools and make their buying decisions on a whole host of factors. It's a common misconception on this board that the perceived quality of the public schools is the be all and end all when not comes to home values and that's just not true. Only a minority of home buyers ever plan to use the schools in many close in neighborhoods, and many couldn't even tell you what the schools are.

This. In the DC real estate market, UMC buyers with school-age children considering enrolling the kids in public schools are a tiny fraction of buyers overall. I've been on CH for 30 years, and it's easy to see that far more empty nesters are buying these days than even 10 years ago.

The northwest premium per square foot makes zero sense without accounting for school. There’s even a big discontinuity between houses zoned for Deal and JR off 16th street and and those that aren’t.

The northwest premium is more because of an outdated prejudice. The perception is that if you are a successful white person you will either live in NW or on Capitol Hill. It takes a slightly countercultural person who has lived here for more than a year or two to even look outside of those boundaries.

Above is true. But I will say that there are many UMC families like ours who do not live in those areas and live EOTP who are at charters. In my kid’s group of friends, parents are doctors, lawyers, etc…

We could afford WOTP or CH but chose not to move there or to the burbs because we got into a charter we were happy with and now are at DCI.

Charters are what is keeping UMC families in the city. Otherwise we would have moved to the burbs. IMO ROI for schools better in burns than WOTP.

That's true. Brookland is full of high achieving parents, mostly sending their kids to charters.

Absolutely. And my family is among them. You get more for your money in NE, in general. And I'm grateful, in all of this federal uncertainty, to have an affordable mortgage.

Anonymous wrote:Lots of places have high real estate prices and not great public schools, especially in cities. One problem you'll find in DC is that parents come in with the intention that they put their kids in DCPS, and find that they are happy enough with the local elementary school that pulls from their neighborhood, but then the feeder pattern is not good and because of combining several not great elementary schools and the student attrition to charters, they realize their kid will now be at a middle or high school where 10% of students are at grade level and 0% are above, and that's a whole different proposition. DCPS won't differentiate, so their kids end up in class with students several grade levels behind. It's not good and so people leave.

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Anonymous wrote:My eyes are glazing over from reading all the bullshit on this thread, but there's an easy answer to OP's question on the home values: most home buyers don't care about the quality of the local public schools and make their buying decisions on a whole host of factors. It's a common misconception on this board that the perceived quality of the public schools is the be all and end all when not comes to home values and that's just not true. Only a minority of home buyers ever plan to use the schools in many close in neighborhoods, and many couldn't even tell you what the schools are.

This. In the DC real estate market, UMC buyers with school-age children considering enrolling the kids in public schools are a tiny fraction of buyers overall. I've been on CH for 30 years, and it's easy to see that far more empty nesters are buying these days than even 10 years ago.

The northwest premium per square foot makes zero sense without accounting for school. There’s even a big discontinuity between houses zoned for Deal and JR off 16th street and and those that aren’t.

The northwest premium is more because of an outdated prejudice. The perception is that if you are a successful white person you will either live in NW or on Capitol Hill. It takes a slightly countercultural person who has lived here for more than a year or two to even look outside of those boundaries.

Above is true. But I will say that there are many UMC families like ours who do not live in those areas and live EOTP who are at charters. In my kid’s group of friends, parents are doctors, lawyers, etc…

We could afford WOTP or CH but chose not to move there or to the burbs because we got into a charter we were happy with and now are at DCI.

Charters are what is keeping UMC families in the city. Otherwise we would have moved to the burbs. IMO ROI for schools better in burns than WOTP.

That's true. Brookland is full of high achieving parents, mostly sending their kids to charters.

Absolutely. And my family is among them. You get more for your money in NE, in general. And I'm grateful, in all of this federal uncertainty, to have an affordable mortgage.

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Anonymous wrote:My eyes are glazing over from reading all the bullshit on this thread, but there's an easy answer to OP's question on the home values: most home buyers don't care about the quality of the local public schools and make their buying decisions on a whole host of factors. It's a common misconception on this board that the perceived quality of the public schools is the be all and end all when not comes to home values and that's just not true. Only a minority of home buyers ever plan to use the schools in many close in neighborhoods, and many couldn't even tell you what the schools are.

This. In the DC real estate market, UMC buyers with school-age children considering enrolling the kids in public schools are a tiny fraction of buyers overall. I've been on CH for 30 years, and it's easy to see that far more empty nesters are buying these days than even 10 years ago.

The northwest premium per square foot makes zero sense without accounting for school. There’s even a big discontinuity between houses zoned for Deal and JR off 16th street and and those that aren’t.

The northwest premium is more because of an outdated prejudice. The perception is that if you are a successful white person you will either live in NW or on Capitol Hill. It takes a slightly countercultural person who has lived here for more than a year or two to even look outside of those boundaries.

Above is true. But I will say that there are many UMC families like ours who do not live in those areas and live EOTP who are at charters. In my kid’s group of friends, parents are doctors, lawyers, etc…

We could afford WOTP or CH but chose not to move there or to the burbs because we got into a charter we were happy with and now are at DCI.

Charters are what is keeping UMC families in the city. Otherwise we would have moved to the burbs. IMO ROI for schools better in burns than WOTP.

That's true. Brookland is full of high achieving parents, mostly sending their kids to charters.

Anonymous wrote:Lots of places have high real estate prices and not great public schools, especially in cities. One problem you'll find in DC is that parents come in with the intention that they put their kids in DCPS, and find that they are happy enough with the local elementary school that pulls from their neighborhood, but then the feeder pattern is not good and because of combining several not great elementary schools and the student attrition to charters, they realize their kid will now be at a middle or high school where 10% of students are at grade level and 0% are above, and that's a whole different proposition. DCPS won't differentiate, so their kids end up in class with students several grade levels behind. It's not good and so people leave.