Anonymous wrote:Why would "people lived much, much longer back then" be a more reasonable theory than "the Bible is not literally correct," though?

LOL because they do take the Bible literally.

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Anonymous wrote:In reality, the Noah story is very similar to other older myths from the ancient Middle East, so it’s likely that’s where it came from. Did those floods actually ever happen? Who knows?

Exactly. The Bible is not the only text that references the flood. It's not a real event, but no doubt a parable meant to teach the believers.

The flood was a real event--I know someone who dove in the Black Sea for a research team, and there's evidence on the Sea floor that the flood really happened.

As for Noah, as someone already said, they measured time differently back then. Sometimes by the seasons, but it really varied.

And PS, this was an entirely secular, strictly scientific, research group, in case some of you were wondering.

And their conclusion was the flood happened everywhere at the same time? My native country with over 5000 years of documented history has no such thing

PP said they saw evidence in the Black Sea.

The Chinese legends had flood as well, not sure if it was the same time. Da Yu was too busy managing the flood that he passed his home 3 times without entering.

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Anonymous wrote:What's so wild to me is that the Jewish religion is presented as this incredibly old religion and so it's been alarming to find out it was written down 400 years before Jesus and the Exodus taking place no more than about 1300 years before Jesus. For comparison we are in the year 2025 CE. The idea that God had a change of plans within 400 or even 1300 years about what exactly we are supposed to get out of his instructions to his people makes no sense. Why would he change direction only 400 years after the Torah was written down and somehow not even convince the people that the message was intended for? It makes no sense.

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It’s just a story. It makes no sense.

Maybe so but Christians hated jews for centuries for what seems to be no good reason.

It is about politics and power, which you don’t achieve through just sticks. You have to offer carrots, social benefits, salvation, and the promise that you’re better than others, which people generally eat up.

Anonymous wrote:What's so wild to me is that the Jewish religion is presented as this incredibly old religion and so it's been alarming to find out it was written down 400 years before Jesus and the Exodus taking place no more than about 1300 years before Jesus. For comparison we are in the year 2025 CE. The idea that God had a change of plans within 400 or even 1300 years about what exactly we are supposed to get out of his instructions to his people makes no sense. Why would he change direction only 400 years after the Torah was written down and somehow not even convince the people that the message was intended for? It makes no sense.

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It’s just a story. It makes no sense.

What's so wild to me is that the Jewish religion is presented as this incredibly old religion and so it's been alarming to find out it was written down 400 years before Jesus and the Exodus taking place no more than about 1300 years before Jesus. For comparison we are in the year 2025 CE. The idea that God had a change of plans within 400 or even 1300 years about what exactly we are supposed to get out of his instructions to his people makes no sense. Why would he change direction only 400 years after the Torah was written down and somehow not even convince the people that the message was intended for? It makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Im reading that the Torah including the book of Genesis was written by one man. People who study this stuff say the first five books all have the same author and that they were written only several hundred years before Christ. Likely someone who had connections to Egypt because a lot of Deuteronomy was taken from Egyptian law. Genesis was basically a collection of story myths for how the world was created like Mother West Wind stories and other religions.

Actually, people who study this stuff do not at all think the first five books have the same author. There are frequent repetitions of the same story with small variations one after the other in the same chapters. There are at least two or three main voices scholars recognize. But yes, likely written 300 to 400 years before the destruction of the Second Temple, which was in 70 CE.

Ok but same premise. All written at the same time. Issues with understanding how these religious stories are something we should all inherently understand are true since the beginning of time based on a one time recording of history centuries after supposed events occured by one to three people in the same way Mohammed had his prophecy is questionable.

Anonymous wrote:Im reading that the Torah including the book of Genesis was written by one man. People who study this stuff say the first five books all have the same author and that they were written only several hundred years before Christ. Likely someone who had connections to Egypt because a lot of Deuteronomy was taken from Egyptian law. Genesis was basically a collection of story myths for how the world was created like Mother West Wind stories and other religions.

Actually, people who study this stuff do not at all think the first five books have the same author. There are frequent repetitions of the same story with small variations one after the other in the same chapters. There are at least two or three main voices scholars recognize. But yes, likely written 300 to 400 years before the destruction of the Second Temple, which was in 70 CE.

This is also what I don't understand about religion. At most the Hebrew Torah orally is a little over 1000 years before Christ and written down over 500 years after the time Jews believe the ten commandments happened. and within 500 years of Jesus's birth. We are now over 2000 years after Jesus, well beyond any length of time Judiasm existed before Jesus. There isn’t even any record of these religions the same distance from Jesus's birth back in history and yet we know humans have existed for 30 thousand years. So at most we only have revelation of this one God for about 3000 of those years and only to small numbers of people compared to all humans in the world. How can this make sense to anyone that this is really the story of civilization and God's plan for his people? What about the other 27 thousand years? What about the other people on earth?

Im reading that the Torah including the book of Genesis was written by one man. People who study this stuff say the first five books all have the same author and that they were written only several hundred years before Christ. Likely someone who had connections to Egypt because a lot of Deuteronomy was taken from Egyptian law. Genesis was basically a collection of story myths for how the world was created like Mother West Wind stories and other religions.

Anonymous wrote:It seems like the Gilgamesh flood story influenced the Noah story, as it predated the Torah in the same part of the world. But that doesn’t mean one flood is the root of all flood myths; obviously, floods can happen almost anywhere, and they’re certainly capable of being traumatic enough to be commemorated in culture.

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It seems like the Gilgamesh flood story influenced the Noah story, as it predated the Torah in the same part of the world. But that doesn’t mean one flood is the root of all flood myths; obviously, floods can happen almost anywhere, and they’re certainly capable of being traumatic enough to be commemorated in culture.

Anonymous wrote:There are Hawaiian and Aboriginal flood stories too.

Almost as if floods are a common natural disaster that happens all over the world.

There are Hawaiian and Aboriginal flood stories too.

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Anonymous wrote:In reality, the Noah story is very similar to other older myths from the ancient Middle East, so it’s likely that’s where it came from. Did those floods actually ever happen? Who knows?

Exactly. The Bible is not the only text that references the flood. It's not a real event, but no doubt a parable meant to teach the believers.

The flood was a real event--I know someone who dove in the Black Sea for a research team, and there's evidence on the Sea floor that the flood really happened.

As for Noah, as someone already said, they measured time differently back then. Sometimes by the seasons, but it really varied.

And PS, this was an entirely secular, strictly scientific, research group, in case some of you were wondering.

And their conclusion was the flood happened everywhere at the same time? My native country with over 5000 years of documented history has no such thing

Which would indicate that if it happened, it was earlier than 5000 years ago. Flood myths are pretty universal around the world and they are based on oral tradition predating documented history.