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Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps mentioning ABET-accredited schools, which I doubt 99% of any kids applying to college ever check.

I assume any school worth $.02 is ABET-accredited...correct? I assume there are hundreds of schools in this category.

Have not counted them, but probably most decent engineering programs will be ABET accredited.

If a engineering program is not ABET accredited and the school is not MIT or Caltech or Stanford (or similar) then student should go somewhere else. It is an easy check to make.

Is there an example of a school that anyone has realistically ever heard of that is not ABET-accredited?

Washington & Lee is not accredited. https://www.wlu.edu/academics/areas-of-study/engineering

Because it's not a real engineering major.
Engineering: A major in engineering allows students to develop breadth and depth in engineering analysis. The requirements offer flexibility, primarily in the junior year, as students focus their coursework in preparation for their capstone design project and future career. The junior year also offers the freedom to study abroad in the fall or winter term, during which time students can leverage the unique strengths of the host university to broaden their engineering background.

Integrated Engineering: The integrated engineering major provides students the opportunity to combine engineering with their interests in one of four tracks: biology, chemistry, computer science, or geology. The addition of a concentrated study of science into the engineering curriculum prepares students for multidisciplinary design challenges. Students can pursue study abroad opportunities to broaden the range of track-specific coursework and take advantage of their unique background when designing collaboratively in the capstone sequence.

The bolded is a red flag.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps mentioning ABET-accredited schools, which I doubt 99% of any kids applying to college ever check.

I assume any school worth $.02 is ABET-accredited...correct? I assume there are hundreds of schools in this category.

Have not counted them, but probably most decent engineering programs will be ABET accredited.

If a engineering program is not ABET accredited and the school is not MIT or Caltech or Stanford (or similar) then student should go somewhere else. It is an easy check to make.

Is there an example of a school that anyone has realistically ever heard of that is not ABET-accredited?

They usually have degrees that are engineering-ish. Aerospace Technology vs Aerospace Engineering. That kind of thing. I doubt you can even award an engineering degree without ABET accreditation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps mentioning ABET-accredited schools, which I doubt 99% of any kids applying to college ever check.

I assume any school worth $.02 is ABET-accredited...correct? I assume there are hundreds of schools in this category.

Have not counted them, but probably most decent engineering programs will be ABET accredited.

If a engineering program is not ABET accredited and the school is not MIT or Caltech or Stanford (or similar) then student should go somewhere else. It is an easy check to make.

Is there an example of a school that anyone has realistically ever heard of that is not ABET-accredited?

Washington & Lee is not accredited. https://www.wlu.edu/academics/areas-of-study/engineering

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps mentioning ABET-accredited schools, which I doubt 99% of any kids applying to college ever check.

I assume any school worth $.02 is ABET-accredited...correct? I assume there are hundreds of schools in this category.

Have not counted them, but probably most decent engineering programs will be ABET accredited.

If a engineering program is not ABET accredited and the school is not MIT or Caltech or Stanford (or similar) then student should go somewhere else. It is an easy check to make.

Is there an example of a school that anyone has realistically ever heard of that is not ABET-accredited?

Anonymous wrote:Everyone keeps mentioning ABET-accredited schools, which I doubt 99% of any kids applying to college ever check.

I assume any school worth $.02 is ABET-accredited...correct? I assume there are hundreds of schools in this category.

Have not counted them, but probably most decent engineering programs will be ABET accredited.

If a engineering program is not ABET accredited and the school is not MIT or Caltech or Stanford (or similar) then student should go somewhere else. It is an easy check to make.

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Anonymous wrote: Top schools are needed to have the best opportunity for the following:
Tech startup culture, access to funding and faculty resources for getting research early on(maximizes top phD choices), high- tech consultant groups that particularly recruit at ivy/MIT/stanford and the like.
Also, of importance to many high-achieving high schoolers, is the top peer group such schools offer.

Santa Clara, Cal Poly SLO, SJSU, and UC Davis are each counter-examples to the claim above. None is "top ranked". All have outstanding track records working with startups and also placing students into startups. All have great lab facilities, access to early research with faculty, and great access to startup funding from Sand Hill Rd.

Notice your examples are all CA schools? Not disagreeing. Just adding - that you go to NC State likely an NC job. A VA Tech job is probably in the DMV area.

CA is king in Tech and Tech money so they are comfortable with CA Schools. I doubt if small/medium size CA firms will recognize the local schools that are good in Engineering outside of CA.

To reiterate the key point: For tech startups, geography matters a whole lot and some arbitrary school ranking matters little or not at all.

We spoke with practicing engineers before DS picked a school, and some schools had better placement and prestige within industry. Higher ranking schools, especially schools with high engineering rankings, had a better reputation amongst engineers.

From DS’s experience, his friends at better schools are receiving better internship opportunities - greater number of offers, better companies, and higher pay.

DS is at a higher rated school and has done two internships with leading chemical manufacturers. His friends at lower ranked schools have not done any. The number and quality of companies that are participating in the fall career fairs are notable. Also, the recruitment is frequently by alumni.

I’m not saying you cannot get a job from lower ranking schools. The difference is that the options are generally greater from schools with better reputations.

Everyone keeps mentioning ABET-accredited schools, which I doubt 99% of any kids applying to college ever check.

I assume any school worth $.02 is ABET-accredited...correct? I assume there are hundreds of schools in this category.

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Anonymous wrote: Top schools are needed to have the best opportunity for the following:
Tech startup culture, access to funding and faculty resources for getting research early on(maximizes top phD choices), high- tech consultant groups that particularly recruit at ivy/MIT/stanford and the like.
Also, of importance to many high-achieving high schoolers, is the top peer group such schools offer.

Santa Clara, Cal Poly SLO, SJSU, and UC Davis are each counter-examples to the claim above. None is "top ranked". All have outstanding track records working with startups and also placing students into startups. All have great lab facilities, access to early research with faculty, and great access to startup funding from Sand Hill Rd.

Notice your examples are all CA schools? Not disagreeing. Just adding - that you go to NC State likely an NC job. A VA Tech job is probably in the DMV area.

CA is king in Tech and Tech money so they are comfortable with CA Schools. I doubt if small/medium size CA firms will recognize the local schools that are good in Engineering outside of CA.

It does matter if you went to one of the Top 5 or 6 Engineering schools. Otherwise, no.

The ranking doesn't matter much to a hiring person, as does the reputation.

For example, some schools are really tech-heavy. Michigan and MIT had that reputation. Other engineering schools are broader (Stanford, Harvey Mudd) and you won't get folks who will be the best designers but rather that supervisors of the best designers (bc of a more generalized training).

Don't worry about it, if your student likes a school that's 98. There must be something about that's school's approach that's a good fit, and that will be an asset in the future.

Top engineering grads (non CS) go to management consulting, fintech, investment banking

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Anonymous wrote: Top schools are needed to have the best opportunity for the following:
Tech startup culture, access to funding and faculty resources for getting research early on(maximizes top phD choices), high- tech consultant groups that particularly recruit at ivy/MIT/stanford and the like.
Also, of importance to many high-achieving high schoolers, is the top peer group such schools offer.

Nope
My kids have always worked at tech startups ups plenty do not hire from top schools they don’t pay

PP likely meant having the chance to be the tech start up, as ivytype/well endowed school have prizes and such to get started and better access to seed funding.

Anonymous wrote:How about Villanova?

Go to your state flagship instead. Penn state, Rutgers, VT, UMD would all be better.

How about Villanova?