Anonymous wrote:Most people just ignore the pitter-patter. If you can't, and it stresses out that much, it probably means you have a social deficit such that you're not within the range of normal.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla only sells direct to customers and no negotiating.

That’s because their prices are way way higher than most other cars.

Anonymous wrote:Don’t buy from Carvana.
Never again. Their after purchase customer service is terrible. I had checked the box online that I wanted to transfer my tags. When I got there they gave me new tags. It took 2 months of phone calls and e-mails to get it put right. I was on hold for 1-2 hours several times. I escalated to a supervisor, or tried to, the runaround was terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:If you do your homework (you should . . . it is only a car but it is an important purchase), it isn't hard at all.

I bought a car on '22 brand new. I knew what I wanted, the color, the price I was willing to pay and how I was going to pay for it. Walked in and when the dealer started to try to negotiate I just got up and started walking out. They stopped me and 10 seconds later I had a new car. Total time spent was under an hour waiting for 1 other buyer to finish and the filling out of forms.

NBD

OP here... oh, it's not hard. It's just stupid, unpleasant and unneccessary. And counter-productive and bad for consumers.

For some reason reddit has been serving me posts from autodealers and it is mind-blowing their mentality. They apparently get really irritated at people who come i and "look around" and ask for prices—they don't want to tell you the price until you're going to sit down and ready to make a deal, so they talk about how they put it off. The reason they don't want to give prices is because they're afraid people will get up and walk out and go to another dealership and ask their price there! They're outraged that people want to waste their time like that...

like how people shop in literally every other industry!

Their response is smug satisfaction knowing that the Subaru dealership down the road, or whatever, will have the same price, because the reality is that there is a floor price, which is about the sticker price, and it's only a question of how much they can lard on, there's not going to be any serious reduction below the sticker.

And as another poster pointed out, it's because it's all super tightly controlled thanks to heavy lobbying. Auto dealers are a powerful special interest at the state and federal level.

The dealers claim that if you just posted prices, like they do in every other retail setting, it would drive buyers away, because they wouldn't like "the true cost" of a car... so what's wrong with that? Isn't it worse if I go into a dealership thinking I can buy a new CRV Hybrid for $39.5k and it turns out that, in all reality, I can't get it for less than $42k? Well, if I can pay $42k, save me (and you) a lot of grief and just tell me. Don't tell me it's $39.5k, but you've added on "dealer enhancements" that can't be removed... I don't want to negotiate! It's a waste of time! If I can't pay $42k, I shouldn't be looking at it, and I should go check out Rav4s or a HRV. It's more efficient and more likely to put me in the car I want and the car I can afford.

Are you actually shopping for a Subaru? One of the reasons I buy Subarus is that their dealers have been willing to give me prices over email. Not all of them, but several around me will do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, I bought 2 last year using Costco. Super straightforward and simple.

If you did not buy from a new car dealer, where do you go for routine car maintenance?

Unless it's covered by maintenance I would NEVER take my car to the dealership for any kind of service. In addition to being extremely over-priced, they're usually dishonest and while there are some good techs, a lot are kind of bottom of the barrel. Find a good independent mechanic. If a dealer ever quotes you something more than $400, take it to a well-rated local mechanic and see what he thinks...

Thats what used to think...yes they are expensive but at least they are not using $5 oil filters and the wrong oil. They are forced to use the right parts. The labor is portion is sketchy...I agree

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla only sells direct to customers and no negotiating.

That’s because their prices are way way higher than most other cars.

Anonymous wrote:Tesla only sells direct to customers and no negotiating.

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Anonymous wrote:Most people just ignore the pitter-patter. If you can't, and it stresses out that much, it probably means you have a social deficit such that you're not within the range of normal.

Oh BS. The majority of people do not enjoy the car sales process. Sales pressure is not enjoyable.

This. Too much wasted time and paperwork.

I'd like to walk on the lot, pick what I want, haggle a little over price, pay money, get title, leave.

The paperwork shouldn't take a whole frigging hour or more! 1-2 min max.

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Anonymous wrote:If you do your homework (you should . . . it is only a car but it is an important purchase), it isn't hard at all.

I bought a car on '22 brand new. I knew what I wanted, the color, the price I was willing to pay and how I was going to pay for it. Walked in and when the dealer started to try to negotiate I just got up and started walking out. They stopped me and 10 seconds later I had a new car. Total time spent was under an hour waiting for 1 other buyer to finish and the filling out of forms.

NBD

OP here... oh, it's not hard. It's just stupid, unpleasant and unneccessary. And counter-productive and bad for consumers.

For some reason reddit has been serving me posts from autodealers and it is mind-blowing their mentality. They apparently get really irritated at people who come i and "look around" and ask for prices—they don't want to tell you the price until you're going to sit down and ready to make a deal, so they talk about how they put it off. The reason they don't want to give prices is because they're afraid people will get up and walk out and go to another dealership and ask their price there! They're outraged that people want to waste their time like that...

like how people shop in literally every other industry!

Their response is smug satisfaction knowing that the Subaru dealership down the road, or whatever, will have the same price, because the reality is that there is a floor price, which is about the sticker price, and it's only a question of how much they can lard on, there's not going to be any serious reduction below the sticker.

And as another poster pointed out, it's because it's all super tightly controlled thanks to heavy lobbying. Auto dealers are a powerful special interest at the state and federal level.

The dealers claim that if you just posted prices, like they do in every other retail setting, it would drive buyers away, because they wouldn't like "the true cost" of a car... so what's wrong with that? Isn't it worse if I go into a dealership thinking I can buy a new CRV Hybrid for $39.5k and it turns out that, in all reality, I can't get it for less than $42k? Well, if I can pay $42k, save me (and you) a lot of grief and just tell me. Don't tell me it's $39.5k, but you've added on "dealer enhancements" that can't be removed... I don't want to negotiate! It's a waste of time! If I can't pay $42k, I shouldn't be looking at it, and I should go check out Rav4s or a HRV. It's more efficient and more likely to put me in the car I want and the car I can afford.

Anonymous wrote:Most people just ignore the pitter-patter. If you can't, and it stresses out that much, it probably means you have a social deficit such that you're not within the range of normal.