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Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

High school level. And yes, there is a second teacher circulating. But in a school like Wheaton with a very high ESOL population you have like 15 kids who don’t know English in one class. That’s impossible

Is this the Wheaton teacher commenting? I don’t believe they would put 15 kids who don’t speak English into an Honors English class. I can see them putting 3-4 kids in and that is already very difficult to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

High school level. And yes, there is a second teacher circulating. But in a school like Wheaton with a very high ESOL population you have like 15 kids who don’t know English in one class. That’s impossible

Is this the Wheaton teacher commenting? I don’t believe they would put 15 kids who don’t speak English into an Honors English class. I can see them putting 3-4 kids in and that is already very difficult to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

Oh wow, I am so glad you updated. My just graduated from Wheaton. Spent first semester senior year in AP English but decided to drop down to English Honors for second semester. "Honors" 12th grade English sounded awful. Said they did not read entire books, just abridged/excerpted and that they spent class time reading taking turns reading the reading aloud!

This "honors for all" thing is a farce. There should be AP, Honors, and Grade Level, or something of that sort. It's ridiculous to throw all the kids into one level except for AP, especially at a school like Wheaton with such a huge breadth of student experiences. I understand your post is about it being bad for the ELL and I agree. But it's also bad for the kids who are at a high level because the class is not challenging enough.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

High school level. And yes, there is a second teacher circulating. But in a school like Wheaton with a very high ESOL population you have like 15 kids who don’t know English in one class. That’s impossible

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t there far fewer new students this year who speak zero English? I assume Trump has scared off immigrants trying to cross the border.

If you believe this, you are delusional. There is just as many kids as ever who don’t know English.

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Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

This is at the high school and middle school levels? Are the schools having a second teacher that is ESOL certified circulate? Is that the system?

Anonymous wrote:No OP is right. Level I ESOL students used to have their own English class, often double period. This year that is gone and they are in General Ed English Classes and it is INSANE.

I do not agree with it either. Where are the basics, what are they supposed to be doing, learning to say Hello and simultaneously reading novels?

Dumbest thing Maryland has done. It is state led btw OP, not an MCPS thing from what I understand.

Anonymous wrote:I attended DCPS elementary school in the 1980s and the kids who could not speak English seemed to spend most of the day in class with us and maybe an hour or two with the ESL teacher.

We did not have a special ESL section.

Anonymous wrote:Aren’t there far fewer new students this year who speak zero English? I assume Trump has scared off immigrants trying to cross the border.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Not a troll post. The school is Wheaton HS. I need to clarify:

1. This is a HIGH school. We do not have pull outs. Not for language learning services. This is not a post for ES or MS.

2. Yes, EML (English Multilingual Learners) have always been in Gen Ed. BUT, up until this year, it has been Level 3s and Level 4s (kids who have at least some English proficiency.

3. I am talking about a change from Level 1s and 2s (new arrivals or kids with little to no English language) having used to have the option for a slower/sheltered English class to now being pushed into the “Honors for all” classes (Wheaton no longer has “on-level”).

While I understand this is DC “moms and dads” this is more of a post asking other teachers what is happening at their schools.

Oh wow, I am so glad you updated. My just graduated from Wheaton. Spent first semester senior year in AP English but decided to drop down to English Honors for second semester. "Honors" 12th grade English sounded awful. Said they did not read entire books, just abridged/excerpted and that they spent class time reading taking turns reading the reading aloud!

This "honors for all" thing is a farce. There should be AP, Honors, and Grade Level, or something of that sort. It's ridiculous to throw all the kids into one level except for AP, especially at a school like Wheaton with such a huge breadth of student experiences. I understand your post is about it being bad for the ELL and I agree. But it's also bad for the kids who are at a high level because the class is not challenging enough.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we homeschool.

Sometimes I really want to go into the homeschooling section of dcum and every time someone complains about homeschooling is really hard I should brag about why I go to public school. I swear homeschooling parents are like the most insecure social awkward twits

Better to be an insecure socially awkward twit than a judgmental whore.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, just not at the richer school. Its sad a teacher doesn't want students - seems a bit racist.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, just not at the richer school. Its sad a teacher doesn't want students - seems a bit racist.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we homeschool.

Sometimes I really want to go into the homeschooling section of dcum and every time someone complains about homeschooling is really hard I should brag about why I go to public school. I swear homeschooling parents are like the most insecure social awkward twits

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Anonymous wrote:This is why we homeschool.

Sometimes I really want to go into the homeschooling section of dcum and every time someone complains about homeschooling is really hard I should brag about why I go to public school. I swear homeschooling parents are like the most insecure social awkward twits