Anonymous wrote:My daughter is there now. She is not southern, not elitist wealthy, not conservative, she didn’t join a sorority. She loves it there. She loves the classes, the professors. She has friends from all income levels, races and religions. She gets opportunities to work with professors even as a freshman that aren’t available at larger universities. All her classes are <20 students. When she was ill and missed 2 class days her freshman year, several of her professors checked in with her to make sure she was ok. You definitely don’t get that at a larger university.

This is PP who started there in ‘85. I think it’s a very different place now.

My class was the first that included women, and my freshman dorm hall included only one boy who wasn’t a WASP southerner - an Italian guy from NYC who spent a lot of time sharpening a big hunting knife and talking about hating Puerto Ricans. My first social event on campus — the day I arrived — was an off campus KA keg party/skeet shooting event with lots of drunk boys, guns and confederate flags. I grew up with guns and got lots of training on shooting and gun safety, and seeing a guy staggering around with a beer in his hand and a .45 holstered on his hip (no idea why - you can’t shoot skeet with a pistol) freaked me out.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they mention on the tour that Robert E Lee’s corpse is in their chapel? You can see the Lee crypt along what is like a shrine to Lee here at W&L- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2zjyTvoScQ

This is actually W&L ‘s best feature.

Ask yourself folks, is this the type of person you’d want to be associated with?

I’m pretty confident that the person you are quoting is a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Do they mention on the tour that Robert E Lee’s corpse is in their chapel? You can see the Lee crypt along what is like a shrine to Lee here at W&L- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o2zjyTvoScQ

This is actually W&L ‘s best feature.

Ask yourself folks, is this the type of person you’d want to be associated with?

Anonymous wrote:W&M boosters have become as insufferable as UVA boosters. Why must you always try and make every thread about your school?

+1 it’s because they feel inferior and resent being considered nerdy.

Sorry, this is the correct link

https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/best-colleges-political-diversity

W&L’a student body actually is about 50% Republican and 50% Democrat.

https://fordhaminstitute.org/about

My daughter is there now. She is not southern, not elitist wealthy, not conservative, she didn’t join a sorority. She loves it there. She loves the classes, the professors. She has friends from all income levels, races and religions. She gets opportunities to work with professors even as a freshman that aren’t available at larger universities. All her classes are <20 students. When she was ill and missed 2 class days her freshman year, several of her professors checked in with her to make sure she was ok. You definitely don’t get that at a larger university.

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Anonymous wrote:W&L stands for “White and Loaded.” For people who are in the know, it is certainly the best educational institution in Virginia and, in my judgment, probably the best liberal arts college in America.

W&L is an excellent choice for students who want a school which will provide 1) an excellent education; 2) a peer group that wealthy, socially adept, and well-connected; 3) an enjoyable undergraduate experience; and 4) among the best career outcomes of any school in America.

How enjoyable can a D3 school of 1800 kids in Lynchburg be? It gets old very fast.

Also, 60% of the school gets financial aid with an average award of $64k…so this isn’t merit aid.

It seems like you have some idea of what W&L used to be vs what it is today.

It does well in career outcomes at 55 by WSJ. I guess you could say it’s among the best because there are 3000+ colleges.

W&L is in Lexington, not Lynchburg. It is consistently ranked as one of the best liberal arts school in the country by virtually every ranking system out there. Princeton Review also recently ranked it as one of the colleges with the happiest students (it ranked number 6 on that list). https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/?rankings=happiest-students

W&L is well known in Texas and most of the southern US, especially in wealthy, well educated communities.

The fact that 69% of the school now receives financial aid is evidence of of the school's effort to diversify its student body. W&L offers free tuition to kids whose families make less than $150k. https://my.wlu.edu/financial-aid/types-of-aid/the-wandl-promise

I attended W&L my freshman year in the late 80’s on a full scholarship and then bailed because I loathed it. I applaud their recent efforts to diversify.

It was too small, too Southern, and way too conservative for me, and I say that as someone with many confederate ancestors buried just a few miles down 60 East from Lexington.

Well, I attended in the '90s. I'm not Southern or particularly conservative and I loved my 4 years there.

Why? It sounds dreadful for someone who isn't into southern or wealthy elitest culture.

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Anonymous wrote:W&L stands for “White and Loaded.” For people who are in the know, it is certainly the best educational institution in Virginia and, in my judgment, probably the best liberal arts college in America.

W&L is an excellent choice for students who want a school which will provide 1) an excellent education; 2) a peer group that wealthy, socially adept, and well-connected; 3) an enjoyable undergraduate experience; and 4) among the best career outcomes of any school in America.

How enjoyable can a D3 school of 1800 kids in Lynchburg be? It gets old very fast.

Also, 60% of the school gets financial aid with an average award of $64k…so this isn’t merit aid.

It seems like you have some idea of what W&L used to be vs what it is today.

It does well in career outcomes at 55 by WSJ. I guess you could say it’s among the best because there are 3000+ colleges.

W&L is in Lexington, not Lynchburg. It is consistently ranked as one of the best liberal arts school in the country by virtually every ranking system out there. Princeton Review also recently ranked it as one of the colleges with the happiest students (it ranked number 6 on that list). https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/?rankings=happiest-students

W&L is well known in Texas and most of the southern US, especially in wealthy, well educated communities.

The fact that 69% of the school now receives financial aid is evidence of of the school's effort to diversify its student body. W&L offers free tuition to kids whose families make less than $150k. https://my.wlu.edu/financial-aid/types-of-aid/the-wandl-promise

I attended W&L my freshman year in the late 80’s on a full scholarship and then bailed because I loathed it. I applaud their recent efforts to diversify.

It was too small, too Southern, and way too conservative for me, and I say that as someone with many confederate ancestors buried just a few miles down 60 East from Lexington.

Well, I attended in the '90s. I'm not Southern or particularly conservative and I loved my 4 years there.

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Anonymous wrote:W&L stands for “White and Loaded.” For people who are in the know, it is certainly the best educational institution in Virginia and, in my judgment, probably the best liberal arts college in America.

W&L is an excellent choice for students who want a school which will provide 1) an excellent education; 2) a peer group that wealthy, socially adept, and well-connected; 3) an enjoyable undergraduate experience; and 4) among the best career outcomes of any school in America.

How enjoyable can a D3 school of 1800 kids in Lynchburg be? It gets old very fast.

Also, 60% of the school gets financial aid with an average award of $64k…so this isn’t merit aid.

It seems like you have some idea of what W&L used to be vs what it is today.

It does well in career outcomes at 55 by WSJ. I guess you could say it’s among the best because there are 3000+ colleges.

W&L is in Lexington, not Lynchburg. It is consistently ranked as one of the best liberal arts school in the country by virtually every ranking system out there. Princeton Review also recently ranked it as one of the colleges with the happiest students (it ranked number 6 on that list). https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/?rankings=happiest-students

W&L is well known in Texas and most of the southern US, especially in wealthy, well educated communities.

The fact that 69% of the school now receives financial aid is evidence of of the school's effort to diversify its student body. W&L offers free tuition to kids whose families make less than $150k. https://my.wlu.edu/financial-aid/types-of-aid/the-wandl-promise

The W&L vs UVA debate is silly.

There are plenty of great options for Virginia colleges - public or private.

From Radford to UVA, just make sure your kid can actually get accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:W&L stands for “White and Loaded.” For people who are in the know, it is certainly the best educational institution in Virginia and, in my judgment, probably the best liberal arts college in America.

W&L is an excellent choice for students who want a school which will provide 1) an excellent education; 2) a peer group that wealthy, socially adept, and well-connected; 3) an enjoyable undergraduate experience; and 4) among the best career outcomes of any school in America.

How enjoyable can a D3 school of 1800 kids in Lynchburg be? It gets old very fast.

Also, 60% of the school gets financial aid with an average award of $64k…so this isn’t merit aid.

It seems like you have some idea of what W&L used to be vs what it is today.

It does well in career outcomes at 55 by WSJ. I guess you could say it’s among the best because there are 3000+ colleges.

W&L is in Lexington, not Lynchburg. It is consistently ranked as one of the best liberal arts school in the country by virtually every ranking system out there. Princeton Review also recently ranked it as one of the colleges with the happiest students (it ranked number 6 on that list). https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/?rankings=happiest-students

W&L is well known in Texas and most of the southern US, especially in wealthy, well educated communities.

The fact that 69% of the school now receives financial aid is evidence of of the school's effort to diversify its student body. W&L offers free tuition to kids whose families make less than $150k. https://my.wlu.edu/financial-aid/types-of-aid/the-wandl-promise

I attended W&L my freshman year in the late 80’s on a full scholarship and then bailed because I loathed it. I applaud their recent efforts to diversify.

It was too small, too Southern, and way too conservative for me, and I say that as someone with many confederate ancestors buried just a few miles down 60 East from Lexington.

W&M boosters have become as insufferable as UVA boosters. Why must you always try and make every thread about your school?

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Anonymous wrote:W&L stands for “White and Loaded.” For people who are in the know, it is certainly the best educational institution in Virginia and, in my judgment, probably the best liberal arts college in America.

W&L is an excellent choice for students who want a school which will provide 1) an excellent education; 2) a peer group that wealthy, socially adept, and well-connected; 3) an enjoyable undergraduate experience; and 4) among the best career outcomes of any school in America.

How enjoyable can a D3 school of 1800 kids in Lynchburg be? It gets old very fast.

Also, 60% of the school gets financial aid with an average award of $64k…so this isn’t merit aid.

It seems like you have some idea of what W&L used to be vs what it is today.

It does well in career outcomes at 55 by WSJ. I guess you could say it’s among the best because there are 3000+ colleges.

W&L is in Lexington, not Lynchburg. It is consistently ranked as one of the best liberal arts school in the country by virtually every ranking system out there. Princeton Review also recently ranked it as one of the colleges with the happiest students (it ranked number 6 on that list). https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/?rankings=happiest-students

W&L is well known in Texas and most of the southern US, especially in wealthy, well educated communities.

The fact that 69% of the school now receives financial aid is evidence of of the school's effort to diversify its student body. W&L offers free tuition to kids whose families make less than $150k. https://my.wlu.edu/financial-aid/types-of-aid/the-wandl-promise

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Anonymous wrote:W&L is a great school with small class sizes and is particularly strong in political science.

The things that would give me pause:

Its extremely expensive for what you get, especially relative to other strong Va publics
It’s still a regional school in name recognition
It being partly named after Robert E Lee is a problem for me, and they had a vote to change it recently and they didn’t.
It has all the challenges of UVA traditionally: too Greek, not diverse

My friend’s daughter goes there but on a full financial need based scholarship. Otherwise, I would not pay $90k/ year to go there

$91,700. William & Mary in-state is only $46,639 for a very similar experience. OOS is $73K.

biased but W&M is a better overall experience and education. if one really loves a LAC, there are much better options for the same cost than W&L

Anonymous wrote:W&L is a great school with small class sizes and is particularly strong in political science.

The things that would give me pause:

Its extremely expensive for what you get, especially relative to other strong Va publics
It’s still a regional school in name recognition
It being partly named after Robert E Lee is a problem for me, and they had a vote to change it recently and they didn’t.
It has all the challenges of UVA traditionally: too Greek, not diverse

My friend’s daughter goes there but on a full financial need based scholarship. Otherwise, I would not pay $90k/ year to go there

$91,700. William & Mary in-state is only $46,639 for a very similar experience. OOS is $73K.