NP. At least the one PP was transparent about both data source and analysis -- and was using an official data source (meaning the cited data very very likely is correct). All of that is a whole lot better than typical claims on DCUM.

One can believe the analysis or not, but either way that PP's claims are much better supported than most claims on DCUM.

Anonymous wrote:You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?

TJ has a minimum GPA requirement for applicants. A student who did badly enough in algebra to need to retake it would almost certainly be below that threshold.

Also, TJ doesn't offer Algebra. Are you suggesting that these students retook it elsewhere?

Of course I know what I’m talking about. The 3.5 GPA requirement is only for 7th grade and the first grading period of 8th grade. A student could do poorly after the first grading period and wouldn’t have their admissions recinded.

I understand that TJ doesn’t have Algebra I in the course catalog, but that doesn’t mean that they couldn’t add an Algebra I class for students that needed to retake it. You’re allowed to expunge any courses that you take in middle school.

Playing with numbers on the DOE website is obviously not providing an accurate picture of TJ students and their math coursework. Time to let this go...

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?

TJ has a minimum GPA requirement for applicants. A student who did badly enough in algebra to need to retake it would almost certainly be below that threshold.

Also, TJ doesn't offer Algebra. Are you suggesting that these students retook it elsewhere?

Anonymous wrote:I can assure you that there were not 233 students in the TJ class of 28 taking pre-calculus as freshmen.

Where are you finding these numbers, and what analysis are you doing to interpret them?

The fact that you are showing 42 TJ students taking the Algebra SOL in the class of 2025, when completion of algebra is a prerequisite for admission to TJ, should be an indication that something is amiss here.

This info can all be found here:

https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex_captcha/home.do?apexTypeId=306

Even though Algebra I Honors is a prerequisite to get in that doesn’t mean that all of the students that were admitted did well in Algebra I. It appears that many students had to retake Algebra I in 9th grade.

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't most of the kids coming in with Algebra I in the old system take RS1 and TJ Math 1, and then not be eligible to take the geometry SOL since they only finished half of geometry?

For the class of 2025, it is known that 161 students were admitted with only Algebra I. Most of those aren't appearing anywhere in the SOL data for their 9th grade year.

School Year Test Grade Source Total Count 2018-2019 Geometry 9 SOL < 2018-2019 Geometry 10 SOL 16 2020-2021 Geometry 9 SOL < 2020-2021 Geometry 10 SOL < 2021-2022 Geometry 9 SOL < 2021-2022 Geometry 10 SOL < 2022-2023 Geometry 9 SOL 22 2022-2023 Geometry 10 SOL 98 2023-2024 Geometry 9 SOL 24 2023-2024 Geometry 10 SOL 77 2024-2025 Geometry 9 SOL 28 2024-2025 Geometry 10 SOL 120

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't most of the kids coming in with Algebra I in the old system take RS1 and TJ Math 1, and then not be eligible to take the geometry SOL since they only finished half of geometry?

For the class of 2025, it is known that 161 students were admitted with only Algebra I. Most of those aren't appearing anywhere in the SOL data for their 9th grade year.

The SOL numbers do not bare this out. Only 28 students took the Geometry SOL last year. There are three explanations.

1) A lot of students chose not to take the SOL
2) A lot of students transferred back to their base school
3) Fewer then 161 students with Algebra 1 were admitted.

I am guessing that it is a combo of 2 and 3 but that the number of students selected with Algebra 1 was closer to 50.

SOL reports show that 98 kids in the class of 2025 took the Geometry SOL in 10th grade

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't most of the kids coming in with Algebra I in the old system take RS1 and TJ Math 1, and then not be eligible to take the geometry SOL since they only finished half of geometry?

For the class of 2025, it is known that 161 students were admitted with only Algebra I. Most of those aren't appearing anywhere in the SOL data for their 9th grade year.

What is the source of this data?

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/0a8f89b7-005e-4b54-904d-5abbe494a46e/downloads/TJ%20Class%20of%202025%20analysis.FINAL.pdf?ver=1650906431437

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't most of the kids coming in with Algebra I in the old system take RS1 and TJ Math 1, and then not be eligible to take the geometry SOL since they only finished half of geometry?

For the class of 2025, it is known that 161 students were admitted with only Algebra I. Most of those aren't appearing anywhere in the SOL data for their 9th grade year.

The SOL numbers do not bare this out. Only 28 students took the Geometry SOL last year. There are three explanations.

1) A lot of students chose not to take the SOL
2) A lot of students transferred back to their base school
3) Fewer then 161 students with Algebra 1 were admitted.

I am guessing that it is a combo of 2 and 3 but that the number of students selected with Algebra 1 was closer to 50.

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't most of the kids coming in with Algebra I in the old system take RS1 and TJ Math 1, and then not be eligible to take the geometry SOL since they only finished half of geometry?

For the class of 2025, it is known that 161 students were admitted with only Algebra I. Most of those aren't appearing anywhere in the SOL data for their 9th grade year.

What is the source of this data?

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't most of the kids coming in with Algebra I in the old system take RS1 and TJ Math 1, and then not be eligible to take the geometry SOL since they only finished half of geometry?

For the class of 2025, it is known that 161 students were admitted with only Algebra I. Most of those aren't appearing anywhere in the SOL data for their 9th grade year.

Thank you for this. This is of course a much better characterization, for the majority of non-SOL-taking freshmen, than that they are in precalculus or beyond.

https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex/f?p=152:1:5879579125018:SHOW_REPORT::::

Alright, the report ran.

It lists under 10 kids taking Algebra 1, 273 took Algebra II, and 28 taking geometry.

Anonymous wrote:I can assure you that there were not 233 students in the TJ class of 28 taking pre-calculus as freshmen.

Where are you finding these numbers, and what analysis are you doing to interpret them?

The fact that you are showing 42 TJ students taking the Algebra SOL in the class of 2025, when completion of algebra is a prerequisite for admission to TJ, should be an indication that something is amiss here.

I ran the SOL numbers for TJ a few days ago and was surprised to see Algebra 1 test results for the school, it didn’t make sense to me. I run pretty simple tables. I chose:

1) School (FCPS, TJ)
2) 9th grade (I wanted to see the break down of Geometry, to Algebra 2. I understand that the kids don’t have to take the SOL but most will take one as freshmen since there is a requirement to sit a SOL in HS)
3) EOC/Mathematics/All

There were reported scores for Algebra 1, which surprised me.

https://p1pe.doe.virginia.gov/apex/f?p=152:1:::::p_session_id,p_application_name:-6762456461331527861,testresults

It is taking a while to re-run the report for some reason.

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't most of the kids coming in with Algebra I in the old system take RS1 and TJ Math 1, and then not be eligible to take the geometry SOL since they only finished half of geometry?

For the class of 2025, it is known that 161 students were admitted with only Algebra I. Most of those aren't appearing anywhere in the SOL data for their 9th grade year.

Before when it was merit admission there were under 20 Algebra 1 students, and now with essay based admissions it's 161 students?

Wouldn't most of the kids coming in with Algebra I in the old system take RS1 and TJ Math 1, and then not be eligible to take the geometry SOL since they only finished half of geometry?

For the class of 2025, it is known that 161 students were admitted with only Algebra I. Most of those aren't appearing anywhere in the SOL data for their 9th grade year.