OP you are overplaying your hand. Do not rely on a package to finance your next move. Find a j-o-b.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you sort of glossed over the a
Fact that you received a negative review while on mat leave although you had a good end of the year review. What was negative? What didn't say? Did you push back? Did you extend your mat leave by claiming FLMA with little notice? What happened DURING mat leave that was problematic that You mentioned?

The written review was just the total opposite of reality, and when I pushed back they all but admitted it and agreed. All of a sudden they told me to disregard the negative review and start fresh. But I've been over it for a LONG TIME and was actually hoping I wouldn't have to come back after mat leave no matter what, but I didn't line up another job as easily as I thought. So I came back, and have been in this miserable middle ground where I am definitely being pushed out (I basically have zero scope of work), but for whatever reason it's taking forever. I want a PIP or a severance package so I can stop doing any work and focus on my next venture with a little breathing room financially speaking, and I know they give out packages a lot, so I want one if I can get one.

To answer another question, no, ZERO part of me wants to stay or improve my performance. The work is so dull and the culture is miserable.

Then start interviewing. We are not in the kind of job market where you can play games.

This. OP I think you are frozen but you don’t hold the cards here, they do, and the downside of inaction at this point - not actively looking for another job while you are currently employed - may come back to bite you. Play out the scenarios that seem likely here - #1 they decide to let you go at the end of the year and you don’t have a plan B. #2- you ask for a package and they say no and you have no plan B and likely they expedite your exit at that point. Don’t hold out for the ideal situation - they give you a package and you can use the time and $$$ then to find another job. Only ask for a package if you are willing to risk that they expedite firing you and you don’t have another job lined up. You already have a data point from your leave about how hard it was to find another job. Don’t make your situation worse by ending up without a job, no severance and looking in this crappy environment. I think you need to be strategic here and recognize how bad the labor market is right now. If you are already dialing it in use that time and energy right now to find something else.

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Anonymous wrote:OP you sort of glossed over the a
Fact that you received a negative review while on mat leave although you had a good end of the year review. What was negative? What didn't say? Did you push back? Did you extend your mat leave by claiming FLMA with little notice? What happened DURING mat leave that was problematic that You mentioned?

The written review was just the total opposite of reality, and when I pushed back they all but admitted it and agreed. All of a sudden they told me to disregard the negative review and start fresh. But I've been over it for a LONG TIME and was actually hoping I wouldn't have to come back after mat leave no matter what, but I didn't line up another job as easily as I thought. So I came back, and have been in this miserable middle ground where I am definitely being pushed out (I basically have zero scope of work), but for whatever reason it's taking forever. I want a PIP or a severance package so I can stop doing any work and focus on my next venture with a little breathing room financially speaking, and I know they give out packages a lot, so I want one if I can get one.

To answer another question, no, ZERO part of me wants to stay or improve my performance. The work is so dull and the culture is miserable.

Then start interviewing. We are not in the kind of job market where you can play games.

Then just leave. You don't enjoy the job and you really aren't doing much work or contributing. I'm in an HR leadership role in my org and I would not support an exit package for this. I'd be working with your manager on terminating you for under performance of your job.

Anonymous wrote:OP you sort of glossed over the a
Fact that you received a negative review while on mat leave although you had a good end of the year review. What was negative? What didn't say? Did you push back? Did you extend your mat leave by claiming FLMA with little notice? What happened DURING mat leave that was problematic that You mentioned?

The written review was just the total opposite of reality, and when I pushed back they all but admitted it and agreed. All of a sudden they told me to disregard the negative review and start fresh. But I've been over it for a LONG TIME and was actually hoping I wouldn't have to come back after mat leave no matter what, but I didn't line up another job as easily as I thought. So I came back, and have been in this miserable middle ground where I am definitely being pushed out (I basically have zero scope of work), but for whatever reason it's taking forever. I want a PIP or a severance package so I can stop doing any work and focus on my next venture with a little breathing room financially speaking, and I know they give out packages a lot, so I want one if I can get one.

To answer another question, no, ZERO part of me wants to stay or improve my performance. The work is so dull and the culture is miserable.

OP you sort of glossed over the a
Fact that you received a negative review while on mat leave although you had a good end of the year review. What was negative? What didn't say? Did you push back? Did you extend your mat leave by claiming FLMA with little notice? What happened DURING mat leave that was problematic that You mentioned?

^ sorry - meant to post under asking for a severance package when she has another job

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Anonymous wrote:No, don't do that. Start looking for another job and try to make this one last as long as you can, until you have another job lined up.

If you do get and accept another job, maybe you could do your plan to ask for an exit package then, without telling them you have another job lined up?

But don't do this without lining up another job.

Do this and get on it now. You have four months to find something and the job market is bad and getting worse.

WTF. You cannot do this. Her severance agt will definitely make the $ contingent on her not having other work lined up, and the co will often call and check, and at least ask op for certification.

Anonymous wrote:Im a mid level manager at a fortune 100. I’ve been in performance management limbo/hell since February. I was prepared to be put on a PIP long ago, but they keep putting it off for whatever reason. Meanwhile, I have zero scope and am doing the absolute BARE minimum to the point that it’s uncomfortable. It’s astonishing to me that I am still here. My guess is they will do it at year end, but I would love to leave before then. I just don’t want to leave for free unless I have to.

What will happen if I simply ask for an exit package? Of course that will reveal my cards that I don’t want to be here anymore, so they could simply say no and fire me. But will they?

Anyone in HR or have experience with this?

(I am happy to explain the back story of how we got here if interested, but didn’t want to make this too long).

Lawyer here who has some experience in this space. I would stay on but start job hunting in earnest. I personally don’t think they would fire you for asking, especially with the mat leave background… but Finding another job at your level could take awhile. Take a look at your employee manual (probably posted somewhere online in your co apps) and it will tell you the general parameters for severance.

So why not keep the job cover and $ as long as you can? You may indeed be put on a PIP, and at that point you’ll have 60 or 90 days or whatever they choose.

Just to ask the question… Do you have any desire to stay? Do you have a manager to discuss this with? Is anyone trying to help you improve?

Anonymous wrote:Never leave Capital One without a package, they give them out like candy

So how do you get one at COF, what do you have to do?

Anonymous wrote:No, don't do that. Start looking for another job and try to make this one last as long as you can, until you have another job lined up.

If you do get and accept another job, maybe you could do your plan to ask for an exit package then, without telling them you have another job lined up?

But don't do this without lining up another job.

Do this and get on it now. You have four months to find something and the job market is bad and getting worse.

No, don't do that. Start looking for another job and try to make this one last as long as you can, until you have another job lined up.

If you do get and accept another job, maybe you could do your plan to ask for an exit package then, without telling them you have another job lined up?

But don't do this without lining up another job.

Nope. It's easier to find a job when you have a job. Start aggressively looking and applying for jobs. Now.