Anonymous
Post 08/14/2025 19:06     Subject: Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does the #1 ranked school have a lot of students who look weak academically?


DEI + recruited athletes. There is a huge section of them at every ivy but HPY have more than their share the past few years.

Anonymous
Post 08/14/2025 19:04     Subject: Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:Thanks. I guess I always look at "User Group Percentiles" for which 1450 is merely 96th percentile, and never at "Nationally Representative Percentiles" for which it is 99th.


correct.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2025 18:05     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:The list of 14 other schools (7 other Ivy League schools, Northwestern, Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, JHU, & Georgetown) as "cross-admits" omitted Duke. Why ?


Georgetown as usual punching above their weight. I see no reason why US News has a certain 5 schools above it.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2025 09:37     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The list of 14 other schools (7 other Ivy League schools, Northwestern, Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, JHU, & Georgetown) as "cross-admits" omitted Duke. Why ?


I also thought that was very odd. There is a lot of overlap in applications between the two. I'm a Duke alum who will admit that the vast majority choose Princeton over Duke, but they draw the same applicants and occasionally someone will choose Duke.


As a former Prince editor it makes me laugh a bit that you’d care so much about which schools a bunch of part-time students journalists decided to treat as peer schools for a special edition survey.


It makes me laugh that you took the time to write such a pointless response. I will not be losing any sleep over this. I just noted it.

And as an alleged former editor, that is a very insulting way to refer to student journalists. Get over yourself.


Wow, you really are that bent out of shape that Duke wasn’t included in the survey as a peer school? Hilarious.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 22:25     Subject: Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does the #1 ranked school have a lot of students who look weak academically?


I think that is because GPA is not one of the items included however 20% were valedictorians, 8% were salutatorians and another 40% graduated with other honors so I think we can assume quite high GPA's plus over 65% had Calc BC or higher.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 22:23     Subject: Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:One interesting missing stat is AP scores and whether they were submitted. Do you know why? Because notwithstanding how much DCUM slobbers over AP scores, they don’t matter for college admissions.


It’s not missing. Only 13 percent of admitted students didn’t take any AP. The vast majority took several or a lot. It matters.


Learn to read.

They weren't surveyed on what their AP scores were or whether they submitted them. They were asked how many AP CLASSES they took. It's the CLASSES that count. Not the scores.


+1, DS took 17 APs, and didn't submit a single score. He's now a junior at Princeton.


That's bizarre. I guess one of those APs wasn't AP Stats or he could have told you that your anecdote do not substitute for actual data.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 22:16     Subject: Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Is it just me or does the #1 ranked school have a lot of students who look weak academically?
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 20:09     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The list of 14 other schools (7 other Ivy League schools, Northwestern, Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, JHU, & Georgetown) as "cross-admits" omitted Duke. Why ?


I also thought that was very odd. There is a lot of overlap in applications between the two. I'm a Duke alum who will admit that the vast majority choose Princeton over Duke, but they draw the same applicants and occasionally someone will choose Duke.


As a former Prince editor it makes me laugh a bit that you’d care so much about which schools a bunch of part-time students journalists decided to treat as peer schools for a special edition survey.


It makes me laugh that you took the time to write such a pointless response. I will not be losing any sleep over this. I just noted it.

And as an alleged former editor, that is a very insulting way to refer to student journalists. Get over yourself.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 20:04     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The list of 14 other schools (7 other Ivy League schools, Northwestern, Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, JHU, & Georgetown) as "cross-admits" omitted Duke. Why ?


I also thought that was very odd. There is a lot of overlap in applications between the two. I'm a Duke alum who will admit that the vast majority choose Princeton over Duke, but they draw the same applicants and occasionally someone will choose Duke.


As a former Prince editor it makes me laugh a bit that you’d care so much about which schools a bunch of part-time students journalists decided to treat as peer schools for a special edition survey.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 19:59     Subject: Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Can someone merge the two Princeton threads?
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 19:50     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:The list of 14 other schools (7 other Ivy League schools, Northwestern, Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, JHU, & Georgetown) as "cross-admits" omitted Duke. Why ?


I also thought that was very odd. There is a lot of overlap in applications between the two. I'm a Duke alum who will admit that the vast majority choose Princeton over Duke, but they draw the same applicants and occasionally someone will choose Duke.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 19:13     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:The list of 14 other schools (7 other Ivy League schools, Northwestern, Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, JHU, & Georgetown) as "cross-admits" omitted Duke. Why ?


Yes, and 'Bama cross admits also not included? So shocking since everyone knows that the Ivies and other Northeast elite schools are out and Southern schools are in.
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 19:09     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
Anonymous wrote:The list of 14 other schools (7 other Ivy League schools, Northwestern, Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, JHU, & Georgetown) as "cross-admits" omitted Duke. Why ?


Doesn't Princeton see Duke as a peer school ?
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 19:08     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
The list of 14 other schools (7 other Ivy League schools, Northwestern, Stanford, MIT, U Chicago, Caltech, JHU, & Georgetown) as "cross-admits" omitted Duke. Why ?
Anonymous
Post 08/13/2025 18:42     Subject: Re:Interesting standardized testing data from Princeton's freshmen survey
funny how the private school kids are the cheaters - no surprise