Anonymous
08/12/2025 05:51
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this should be in the 7 nights of action thread but it seems like a topic worthy of separate attention and discussion.
This is just insane.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/08/11/dc-ag-warns-involuntary-commitments-dc-trump-homeless/
You want mentally ill people staying on the streets?
+1
DP: You guys have never studied or worked on the streets with this issue at all. Think this through. Where are they going to go? Is there room? Who is paying for it? Is there enough money? What if they don't want to stay there?
What about the homeless who have already begun the long and difficult process of getting help by establishing relationships with volunteers on the streets who are earning their trust and working through the system to get that person available help? What happens when the person is arrested and moved to God knows where and cannot be found by the trained professional person they used to trust? They are back behind square 1.
Why are they homeless? What has been done to change the conditions that put them on the streets in the first place? Who is actually doing the work to solve those problems and who is making it impossible to address those problems?
IF Trump actually cares about these people, why isn't he asking the folks who work this issue for a living what resources they actually need to help this population?
Because he doesn't care -- he doesn't want to help them; he wants them gone. He just doesn't want to see tents on the way to his golf course.
This. A 72 hour psych hold will accomplish nothing except more fear and trauma. Which I suppose is Trump's goal.
If he cared about poverty and homelessness, he certainly wouldn't be cutting medicaid, snap, and HUD.
He wants fear and trauma so he’s trying to get the homeless off the streets??
Some of you are so brainwashed that you can’t even think logically about issues. You have liberals on here criticizing sending homeless people to the hospitals for medical assistance. It’s like left wing people arguing that illegals should be able to remain for low wage jobs (farm workers for example). Since when do liberals want to take advantage of American workers? Since when do you want people living on the streets?
Homelessness is a big problem, much worse here than other countries and I welcome ideas about what to do about it.
Yes, he wants to create fear and trauma among homeless people.
We know how to address homelessness -- affordable housing, no barrier substance abuse treatment, mental health care available but not forced, a harm reduction model toward drug use. What does 72 hours in a crowded ER accomplish? Especially when it is likely to be uncompensated care, stretching safety net hospitals even more.
How can people not see that this is really such a cruel mantra? If you are too mentally ill to know you need treatment and are always allowed to refuse it, how can you ever get better? There are some people who have to be forced to have treatment for them to then understand you actually do want treatment to get better.
And this doesn't just affect the severely mentally ill person who is on the streets unable to care for themselves, it affects the community of people who have to commute by buses, kids trying to play in the park, etc. who have to hear crazy threats and walk around body fluids.
And family members are so incredibly desperate for their loved ones to get help they feel a sense of relief at times when they are incarcerated because only then are they forced to get treatment. The only way for the vast majority of severely mentally ill people who need to be in a mental institution to access that help is through the criminal justice system finding the person incompetent to stand trial or having been found guilty by reason of insanity.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 22:02
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:More of this! This is the actually compassionate way to treat these people.
Dumping them in the ER isn't at all helpful. They need beds in psychiatric units and those don't get reserved for ER patients
We needed a funded, compassionate mental healthcare system.
Somehow that's "socialism" but whatever the hell this is that Trump's doing of pushing them into much more expensive hospitals that don't have enough psychiatric professionals on staff isn't?
Anonymous
08/11/2025 22:01
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this should be in the 7 nights of action thread but it seems like a topic worthy of separate attention and discussion.
This is just insane.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/08/11/dc-ag-warns-involuntary-commitments-dc-trump-homeless/
You want mentally ill people staying on the streets?
+1
DP: You guys have never studied or worked on the streets with this issue at all. Think this through. Where are they going to go? Is there room? Who is paying for it? Is there enough money? What if they don't want to stay there?
What about the homeless who have already begun the long and difficult process of getting help by establishing relationships with volunteers on the streets who are earning their trust and working through the system to get that person available help? What happens when the person is arrested and moved to God knows where and cannot be found by the trained professional person they used to trust? They are back behind square 1.
Why are they homeless? What has been done to change the conditions that put them on the streets in the first place? Who is actually doing the work to solve those problems and who is making it impossible to address those problems?
IF Trump actually cares about these people, why isn't he asking the folks who work this issue for a living what resources they actually need to help this population?
Because he doesn't care -- he doesn't want to help them; he wants them gone. He just doesn't want to see tents on the way to his golf course.
This. A 72 hour psych hold will accomplish nothing except more fear and trauma. Which I suppose is Trump's goal.
If he cared about poverty and homelessness, he certainly wouldn't be cutting medicaid, snap, and HUD.
He wants fear and trauma so he’s trying to get the homeless off the streets??
Some of you are so brainwashed that you can’t even think logically about issues. You have liberals on here criticizing sending homeless people to the hospitals for medical assistance. It’s like left wing people arguing that illegals should be able to remain for low wage jobs (farm workers for example). Since when do liberals want to take advantage of American workers? Since when do you want people living on the streets?
Homelessness is a big problem, much worse here than other countries and I welcome ideas about what to do about it.
Yes, he wants to create fear and trauma among homeless people.
We know how to address homelessness -- affordable housing, no barrier substance abuse treatment, mental health care available but not forced, a harm reduction model toward drug use. What does 72 hours in a crowded ER accomplish? Especially when it is likely to be uncompensated care, stretching safety net hospitals even more.
Except we’ve been trying that for decades and it hasn’t helped. Either go to treatment or go to jail.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 21:56
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this should be in the 7 nights of action thread but it seems like a topic worthy of separate attention and discussion.
This is just insane.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/08/11/dc-ag-warns-involuntary-commitments-dc-trump-homeless/
You want mentally ill people staying on the streets?
+1
DP: You guys have never studied or worked on the streets with this issue at all. Think this through. Where are they going to go? Is there room? Who is paying for it? Is there enough money? What if they don't want to stay there?
What about the homeless who have already begun the long and difficult process of getting help by establishing relationships with volunteers on the streets who are earning their trust and working through the system to get that person available help? What happens when the person is arrested and moved to God knows where and cannot be found by the trained professional person they used to trust? They are back behind square 1.
Why are they homeless? What has been done to change the conditions that put them on the streets in the first place? Who is actually doing the work to solve those problems and who is making it impossible to address those problems?
IF Trump actually cares about these people, why isn't he asking the folks who work this issue for a living what resources they actually need to help this population?
Because he doesn't care -- he doesn't want to help them; he wants them gone. He just doesn't want to see tents on the way to his golf course.
This. A 72 hour psych hold will accomplish nothing except more fear and trauma. Which I suppose is Trump's goal.
If he cared about poverty and homelessness, he certainly wouldn't be cutting medicaid, snap, and HUD.
He wants fear and trauma so he’s trying to get the homeless off the streets??
Some of you are so brainwashed that you can’t even think logically about issues. You have liberals on here criticizing sending homeless people to the hospitals for medical assistance. It’s like left wing people arguing that illegals should be able to remain for low wage jobs (farm workers for example). Since when do liberals want to take advantage of American workers? Since when do you want people living on the streets?
Homelessness is a big problem, much worse here than other countries and I welcome ideas about what to do about it.
Yes, he wants to create fear and trauma among homeless people.
We know how to address homelessness -- affordable housing, no barrier substance abuse treatment, mental health care available but not forced, a harm reduction model toward drug use. What does 72 hours in a crowded ER accomplish? Especially when it is likely to be uncompensated care, stretching safety net hospitals even more.
The homeless have fear and trauma as their daily reality. 72 hours in a hospital gets them through the worst of a presumably medicated withdrawal, but that's only if the hospital has the resources. People often go nuts when they go through alcohol or opioid withdrawal. Absolutely no doctor or nurse is looking forward to an influx of patients going through withdrawal.
But they deal with this every day. Stabilizing someone when there's nothing there to support them while their brain is still fried even after their central nervous system has calmed down is pretty hopeless. It takes a few weeks, usually months, until someone returns to baseline normal. And only then can you deal with any underlying issues.
Rounding up people without a plan is incredibly cruel - to everyone.
And it's also useless. I am all for forced withdrawal, but you need to keep them for a bit and create a good recovery environment for a few months to make it stick. And Republicans clearly just want these people to disappear. Trump's brother died of alcoholism. I suspect some of that hurt motivates him - and not in a good way. He wants these people disappeared.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 21:55
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:A 72 hour psych hold has very clear criteria and I just don’t think a typical doctor is going to risk their license professional standing, and conscience to ignore that.
Depends on the consequences for doctors who don't obey Trump. They stopped performing abortions when it was banned and the risk was criminal prosecution. This Adm is happy to put people, including professionals, in untenable situations.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 21:23
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:More of this! This is the actually compassionate way to treat these people.
Dumping them in the ER isn't at all helpful. They need beds in psychiatric units and those don't get reserved for ER patients
Anonymous
08/11/2025 21:22
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this should be in the 7 nights of action thread but it seems like a topic worthy of separate attention and discussion.
This is just insane.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/08/11/dc-ag-warns-involuntary-commitments-dc-trump-homeless/
Absolutely saw this coming. He has no real plan to "help" the homeless
Anonymous
08/11/2025 21:20
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Schwab is the worst. Private schools for his family and big house in expensive neighborhood. He’s completely insulated from the impacts of his policies, like most progressive elites.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 21:15
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
The goal isn't to treat people or help people. The goal is to get people to move their homeless camps outside of DC.
I agree with the pp who said getting the 72 hour won't be easy. But if it were somehow possible maybe moving from DC to Alexandria or Silver Spring would be worth it.
I agree with the pp who said getting the 72 hour won't be easy. But if it were somehow possible maybe moving from DC to Alexandria or Silver Spring would be worth it.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 20:39
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:More of this! This is the actually compassionate way to treat these people.
No it is not.
It's not where Trumpies sycophants are going to end it.
Back will come insane asylums where families will pay a ton for awful conditions.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 20:37
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this should be in the 7 nights of action thread but it seems like a topic worthy of separate attention and discussion.
This is just insane.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/08/11/dc-ag-warns-involuntary-commitments-dc-trump-homeless/
You want mentally ill people staying on the streets?
+1
DP: You guys have never studied or worked on the streets with this issue at all. Think this through. Where are they going to go? Is there room? Who is paying for it? Is there enough money? What if they don't want to stay there?
What about the homeless who have already begun the long and difficult process of getting help by establishing relationships with volunteers on the streets who are earning their trust and working through the system to get that person available help? What happens when the person is arrested and moved to God knows where and cannot be found by the trained professional person they used to trust? They are back behind square 1.
Why are they homeless? What has been done to change the conditions that put them on the streets in the first place? Who is actually doing the work to solve those problems and who is making it impossible to address those problems?
IF Trump actually cares about these people, why isn't he asking the folks who work this issue for a living what resources they actually need to help this population?
Because he doesn't care -- he doesn't want to help them; he wants them gone. He just doesn't want to see tents on the way to his golf course.
This. A 72 hour psych hold will accomplish nothing except more fear and trauma. Which I suppose is Trump's goal.
If he cared about poverty and homelessness, he certainly wouldn't be cutting medicaid, snap, and HUD.
He wants fear and trauma so he’s trying to get the homeless off the streets??
Some of you are so brainwashed that you can’t even think logically about issues. You have liberals on here criticizing sending homeless people to the hospitals for medical assistance. It’s like left wing people arguing that illegals should be able to remain for low wage jobs (farm workers for example). Since when do liberals want to take advantage of American workers? Since when do you want people living on the streets?
Homelessness is a big problem, much worse here than other countries and I welcome ideas about what to do about it.
Yes, he wants to create fear and trauma among homeless people.
We know how to address homelessness -- affordable housing, no barrier substance abuse treatment, mental health care available but not forced, a harm reduction model toward drug use. What does 72 hours in a crowded ER accomplish? Especially when it is likely to be uncompensated care, stretching safety net hospitals even more.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 20:37
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
A 72 hour psych hold has very clear criteria and I just don’t think a typical doctor is going to risk their license professional standing, and conscience to ignore that.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 20:37
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this should be in the 7 nights of action thread but it seems like a topic worthy of separate attention and discussion.
This is just insane.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/08/11/dc-ag-warns-involuntary-commitments-dc-trump-homeless/
You want mentally ill people staying on the streets?
+1
DP: You guys have never studied or worked on the streets with this issue at all. Think this through. Where are they going to go? Is there room? Who is paying for it? Is there enough money? What if they don't want to stay there?
What about the homeless who have already begun the long and difficult process of getting help by establishing relationships with volunteers on the streets who are earning their trust and working through the system to get that person available help? What happens when the person is arrested and moved to God knows where and cannot be found by the trained professional person they used to trust? They are back behind square 1.
Why are they homeless? What has been done to change the conditions that put them on the streets in the first place? Who is actually doing the work to solve those problems and who is making it impossible to address those problems?
IF Trump actually cares about these people, why isn't he asking the folks who work this issue for a living what resources they actually need to help this population?
Because he doesn't care -- he doesn't want to help them; he wants them gone. He just doesn't want to see tents on the way to his golf course.
This. A 72 hour psych hold will accomplish nothing except more fear and trauma. Which I suppose is Trump's goal.
If he cared about poverty and homelessness, he certainly wouldn't be cutting medicaid, snap, and HUD.
He wants fear and trauma so he’s trying to get the homeless off the streets??
Some of you are so brainwashed that you can’t even think logically about issues. You have liberals on here criticizing sending homeless people to the hospitals for medical assistance. It’s like left wing people arguing that illegals should be able to remain for low wage jobs (farm workers for example). Since when do liberals want to take advantage of American workers? Since when do you want people living on the streets?
Homelessness is a big problem, much worse here than other countries and I welcome ideas about what to do about it.
The point is that this will do nothing to get the homeless off the streets. It will create a temporary crisis for hospitals that are not equipped to handle an influx of homeless people, and it will be temporary because you cannot permanently hold someone against their will without a court order that is very hard to get, and if they try, it will tax these facilities well past their existing limit while also clogging up courts. It's a waste of everyone's time and a lot of precious resources while also not accomplishing their stated goal of actually getting the homeless of the street.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 20:35
Subject: Re:DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
You can't initiate a plan like this without creating and funding facilities that will actually address the mental health (and often addiction and physical care) needs of this population. All they are doing is burdening hospital staff in a stunt to make it seem like they are taking actions, but hospitals are not equipped for it. In fact, hospitals ALREADY do more to address the needs of the homeless an housing insecure than the vast majority of other institutions, and that's part of why hospitals are such a $hitshow to begin with.
If Trump wants to create a federal program to help states create and fund programs for in-patient mental health and rehabilitation aimed at unhoused populations, GREAT. I would love to see my tax dollars used in that way.
Just foisting the city's most troubled residents on the people already struggling to deal with them in their current capacity and calling it a day is nothing, it's worse than nothing, it's stupid.
If Trump wants to create a federal program to help states create and fund programs for in-patient mental health and rehabilitation aimed at unhoused populations, GREAT. I would love to see my tax dollars used in that way.
Just foisting the city's most troubled residents on the people already struggling to deal with them in their current capacity and calling it a day is nothing, it's worse than nothing, it's stupid.
Anonymous
08/11/2025 20:33
Subject: DC AG warns hospitals of involuntary hospitalizations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Apologies if this should be in the 7 nights of action thread but it seems like a topic worthy of separate attention and discussion.
This is just insane.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/08/11/dc-ag-warns-involuntary-commitments-dc-trump-homeless/
You want mentally ill people staying on the streets?
+1
DP: You guys have never studied or worked on the streets with this issue at all. Think this through. Where are they going to go? Is there room? Who is paying for it? Is there enough money? What if they don't want to stay there?
What about the homeless who have already begun the long and difficult process of getting help by establishing relationships with volunteers on the streets who are earning their trust and working through the system to get that person available help? What happens when the person is arrested and moved to God knows where and cannot be found by the trained professional person they used to trust? They are back behind square 1.
Why are they homeless? What has been done to change the conditions that put them on the streets in the first place? Who is actually doing the work to solve those problems and who is making it impossible to address those problems?
IF Trump actually cares about these people, why isn't he asking the folks who work this issue for a living what resources they actually need to help this population?
Because he doesn't care -- he doesn't want to help them; he wants them gone. He just doesn't want to see tents on the way to his golf course.
This. A 72 hour psych hold will accomplish nothing except more fear and trauma. Which I suppose is Trump's goal.
If he cared about poverty and homelessness, he certainly wouldn't be cutting medicaid, snap, and HUD.
He wants fear and trauma so he’s trying to get the homeless off the streets??
Some of you are so brainwashed that you can’t even think logically about issues. You have liberals on here criticizing sending homeless people to the hospitals for medical assistance. It’s like left wing people arguing that illegals should be able to remain for low wage jobs (farm workers for example). Since when do liberals want to take advantage of American workers? Since when do you want people living on the streets?
Homelessness is a big problem, much worse here than other countries and I welcome ideas about what to do about it.