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Anonymous wrote:My take is this.

No matter how good these schools are in their countries. They admit US students with much higher acceptance rates. There will always be a question mark associated with this individual.

Hiring manager in STEM. Always very happy to hire someone with a STEM degree from either of these schools. They consistently produce capable, knowledgeable graduates. Most tech firms know this and like to hire these students. Can't speak to non-STEM degrees myself because I only hire STEM.

For StA, (a) admission is for a specific degree (so aggregate admissions numbers are meaningless) and (b) academic minimums for acceptance are published online (few unqualified applicants apply at StA, unlike at US colleges).

DP. a) they admit over 60% of Americans, there is no discrepancy across degrees that accounts for this. The acceptance rates are much higher across the board and b) the minimums are As or Bs in honors classes and three 4s on APs, with 1320 SAT/28 ACT but that part is optional. So the minimums don’t really tell you that much.

It’s all fine. But per OP’s question, it isn’t that selective for Americans if they meet the minimum, and presumably OP’s kid meets the minimum or he wouldn’t be asking.

Maybe dig deeper into the data. It is not a flat 60% across the board. It varies by degree. Some more. Some less. Minimums also vary by degree. Big difference between earning a 4 in AP EnviSci vs 4 in AP Calc BC. Interested folks ought to see the StA website for the details.

Yes, I’m aware of that but you can’t have 60% (really slightly more) overall and also have very low acceptance rates across lots of individual programs. It doesn’t work that way. Similarly, while a few programs have specific additional prerequisite requirements, many don’t. We don’t know what OP’s kid wants to study, but it’s weird so many people are trying to downplay his chances. If he meets the minimum—and particularly if he exceeds the minimum by some margin—he has pretty good odds.

Show me where it says 60%? You can talking this nonsense with zero proof or link anywhere saying this.

As already noted, these numbers are on the other thread.

But since I know you won’t accept that, here is the Freedom of Information Act request to StA from last December that asked this exact question: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/admit_rate#incoming-2858014

For 2024/25, there were 3033 applications and 1848 offers, which is…60.1%. Guess it isn’t “nonsense” after all. In fairness, it was 40% the year before and 53% the year before that, but that doesn’t really change the substantive point and they are older data points in any event.

It’s sad how many people here view a higher acceptance rate as a bad thing. But I guess for some east coast private/boarding school parents who have tied their whole lives to exclusivity, it is. Pathetic, really.

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Anonymous wrote:My take is this.

No matter how good these schools are in their countries. They admit US students with much higher acceptance rates. There will always be a question mark associated with this individual.

Hiring manager in STEM. Always very happy to hire someone with a STEM degree from either of these schools. They consistently produce capable, knowledgeable graduates. Most tech firms know this and like to hire these students. Can't speak to non-STEM degrees myself because I only hire STEM.

For StA, (a) admission is for a specific degree (so aggregate admissions numbers are meaningless) and (b) academic minimums for acceptance are published online (few unqualified applicants apply at StA, unlike at US colleges).

DP. a) they admit over 60% of Americans, there is no discrepancy across degrees that accounts for this. The acceptance rates are much higher across the board and b) the minimums are As or Bs in honors classes and three 4s on APs, with 1320 SAT/28 ACT but that part is optional. So the minimums don’t really tell you that much.

It’s all fine. But per OP’s question, it isn’t that selective for Americans if they meet the minimum, and presumably OP’s kid meets the minimum or he wouldn’t be asking.

Maybe dig deeper into the data. It is not a flat 60% across the board. It varies by degree. Some more. Some less. Minimums also vary by degree. Big difference between earning a 4 in AP EnviSci vs 4 in AP Calc BC. Interested folks ought to see the StA website for the details.

Yes, I’m aware of that but you can’t have 60% (really slightly more) overall and also have very low acceptance rates across lots of individual programs. It doesn’t work that way. Similarly, while a few programs have specific additional prerequisite requirements, many don’t. We don’t know what OP’s kid wants to study, but it’s weird so many people are trying to downplay his chances. If he meets the minimum—and particularly if he exceeds the minimum by some margin—he has pretty good odds.

Show me where it says 60%? You can talking this nonsense with zero proof or link anywhere saying this.

DP. I won't do the work for you, but take a look at the big St Andrews thread. The numbers are there, and no one disputes them. St Andrews accepts at least half of all USA applicants.

I think more smart kids will be choosing these schools due to US formerly top schools bending over for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:My take is this.

No matter how good these schools are in their countries. They admit US students with much higher acceptance rates. There will always be a question mark associated with this individual.

Hiring manager in STEM. Always very happy to hire someone with a STEM degree from either of these schools. They consistently produce capable, knowledgeable graduates. Most tech firms know this and like to hire these students. Can't speak to non-STEM degrees myself because I only hire STEM.

For StA, (a) admission is for a specific degree (so aggregate admissions numbers are meaningless) and (b) academic minimums for acceptance are published online (few unqualified applicants apply at StA, unlike at US colleges).

DP. a) they admit over 60% of Americans, there is no discrepancy across degrees that accounts for this. The acceptance rates are much higher across the board and b) the minimums are As or Bs in honors classes and three 4s on APs, with 1320 SAT/28 ACT but that part is optional. So the minimums don’t really tell you that much.

It’s all fine. But per OP’s question, it isn’t that selective for Americans if they meet the minimum, and presumably OP’s kid meets the minimum or he wouldn’t be asking.

Maybe dig deeper into the data. It is not a flat 60% across the board. It varies by degree. Some more. Some less. Minimums also vary by degree. Big difference between earning a 4 in AP EnviSci vs 4 in AP Calc BC. Interested folks ought to see the StA website for the details.

Yes, I’m aware of that but you can’t have 60% (really slightly more) overall and also have very low acceptance rates across lots of individual programs. It doesn’t work that way. Similarly, while a few programs have specific additional prerequisite requirements, many don’t. We don’t know what OP’s kid wants to study, but it’s weird so many people are trying to downplay his chances. If he meets the minimum—and particularly if he exceeds the minimum by some margin—he has pretty good odds.

Show me where it says 60%? You can talking this nonsense with zero proof or link anywhere saying this.

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Anonymous wrote:These school IMO appeal to really smart kids who don’t have great ECs so they get shut out of the T20 and would otherwise end up at schools like bates, BC, BU, macalester level colleges.

I agree. My son is twice exceptional (high IQ, low processing speed) and had a very thin EC list, but very high stats. He was accepted to McGill and St Andrew's no problem, but then got cold feet and decided to go to George Washington, at the Elliott School of International Affairs (he was also accepted at schools like W&M, from out of state). GW itself isn't ranked all that high, but their IA school is in the top 10. He loves the urban campus and is very happy. Ironically, now he's all excited to study at Sciences Po in Paris. It just took a couple of years for him to get used to the idea of going abroad

Lol you again

Yeah, this poster manages to talk about her DS in every other thread (making sure to mention that GW IA is top 10!).

So what?

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Anonymous wrote:These school IMO appeal to really smart kids who don’t have great ECs so they get shut out of the T20 and would otherwise end up at schools like bates, BC, BU, macalester level colleges.

I agree. My son is twice exceptional (high IQ, low processing speed) and had a very thin EC list, but very high stats. He was accepted to McGill and St Andrew's no problem, but then got cold feet and decided to go to George Washington, at the Elliott School of International Affairs (he was also accepted at schools like W&M, from out of state). GW itself isn't ranked all that high, but their IA school is in the top 10. He loves the urban campus and is very happy. Ironically, now he's all excited to study at Sciences Po in Paris. It just took a couple of years for him to get used to the idea of going abroad

Lol you again

Pathetic loser who gets off keeping track of other posters & thinking it’s their job to try to embarrass them.

McGill is in a different league for US recruiters. St Andrew’s has quickly developed a reputation for rich American kids who didn’t get into a top 50 in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:My take is this.

No matter how good these schools are in their countries. They admit US students with much higher acceptance rates. There will always be a question mark associated with this individual.

Hiring manager in STEM. Always very happy to hire someone with a STEM degree from either of these schools. They consistently produce capable, knowledgeable graduates. Most tech firms know this and like to hire these students. Can't speak to non-STEM degrees myself because I only hire STEM.

For StA, (a) admission is for a specific degree (so aggregate admissions numbers are meaningless) and (b) academic minimums for acceptance are published online (few unqualified applicants apply at StA, unlike at US colleges).

DP. a) they admit over 60% of Americans, there is no discrepancy across degrees that accounts for this. The acceptance rates are much higher across the board and b) the minimums are As or Bs in honors classes and three 4s on APs, with 1320 SAT/28 ACT but that part is optional. So the minimums don’t really tell you that much.

It’s all fine. But per OP’s question, it isn’t that selective for Americans if they meet the minimum, and presumably OP’s kid meets the minimum or he wouldn’t be asking.

Maybe dig deeper into the data. It is not a flat 60% across the board. It varies by degree. Some more. Some less. Minimums also vary by degree. Big difference between earning a 4 in AP EnviSci vs 4 in AP Calc BC. Interested folks ought to see the StA website for the details.

Yes, I’m aware of that but you can’t have 60% (really slightly more) overall and also have very low acceptance rates across lots of individual programs. It doesn’t work that way. Similarly, while a few programs have specific additional prerequisite requirements, many don’t. We don’t know what OP’s kid wants to study, but it’s weird so many people are trying to downplay his chances. If he meets the minimum—and particularly if he exceeds the minimum by some margin—he has pretty good odds.

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Anonymous wrote:My take is this.

No matter how good these schools are in their countries. They admit US students with much higher acceptance rates. There will always be a question mark associated with this individual.

Hiring manager in STEM. Always very happy to hire someone with a STEM degree from either of these schools. They consistently produce capable, knowledgeable graduates. Most tech firms know this and like to hire these students. Can't speak to non-STEM degrees myself because I only hire STEM.

For StA, (a) admission is for a specific degree (so aggregate admissions numbers are meaningless) and (b) academic minimums for acceptance are published online (few unqualified applicants apply at StA, unlike at US colleges).

DP. a) they admit over 60% of Americans, there is no discrepancy across degrees that accounts for this. The acceptance rates are much higher across the board and b) the minimums are As or Bs in honors classes and three 4s on APs, with 1320 SAT/28 ACT but that part is optional. So the minimums don’t really tell you that much.

It’s all fine. But per OP’s question, it isn’t that selective for Americans if they meet the minimum, and presumably OP’s kid meets the minimum or he wouldn’t be asking.

Maybe dig deeper into the data. It is not a flat 60% across the board. It varies by degree. Some more. Some less. Minimums also vary by degree. Big difference between earning a 4 in AP EnviSci vs 4 in AP Calc BC. Interested folks ought to see the StA website for the details.

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Anonymous wrote:My take is this.

No matter how good these schools are in their countries. They admit US students with much higher acceptance rates. There will always be a question mark associated with this individual.

Hiring manager in STEM. Always very happy to hire someone with a STEM degree from either of these schools. They consistently produce capable, knowledgeable graduates. Most tech firms know this and like to hire these students. Can't speak to non-STEM degrees myself because I only hire STEM.

For StA, (a) admission is for a specific degree (so aggregate admissions numbers are meaningless) and (b) academic minimums for acceptance are published online (few unqualified applicants apply at StA, unlike at US colleges).

DP. a) they admit over 60% of Americans, there is no discrepancy across degrees that accounts for this. The acceptance rates are much higher across the board and b) the minimums are As or Bs in honors classes and three 4s on APs, with 1320 SAT/28 ACT but that part is optional. So the minimums don’t really tell you that much.

It’s all fine. But per OP’s question, it isn’t that selective for Americans if they meet the minimum, and presumably OP’s kid meets the minimum or he wouldn’t be asking.

Anonymous wrote:Re: Magill -- great school, but it will be facing severe funding challenges in the next few years. The Quebec gov't switched its funding mechanism for universities in the province to privilege French-language schools.

Magill's funding has been decimated. I'm not sure how they'll handle it and whether they will recover.

It's McGill, not Magill.

Anonymous wrote:My take is this.

No matter how good these schools are in their countries. They admit US students with much higher acceptance rates. There will always be a question mark associated with this individual.

Hiring manager in STEM. Always very happy to hire someone with a STEM degree from either of these schools. They consistently produce capable, knowledgeable graduates. Most tech firms know this and like to hire these students. Can't speak to non-STEM degrees myself because I only hire STEM.

For StA, (a) admission is for a specific degree (so aggregate admissions numbers are meaningless) and (b) academic minimums for acceptance are published online (few unqualified applicants apply at StA, unlike at US colleges).

My take is this.

No matter how good these schools are in their countries. They admit US students with much higher acceptance rates. There will always be a question mark associated with this individual.

Re: Magill -- great school, but it will be facing severe funding challenges in the next few years. The Quebec gov't switched its funding mechanism for universities in the province to privilege French-language schools.

Magill's funding has been decimated. I'm not sure how they'll handle it and whether they will recover.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted on the long St Andrew’s thread the patently obviously true fact that it’s not real selective for USA students and is a haven for boarding school and private school kids who can’t get into top USA privates. I apparently offended folks by saying this and my post was reported and deleted.

that is because you completely ignored the dozens of parents who posted that their kids selected St Andrews anyway despite gaining admission to t30 us schools.

One, it wasn’t dozens. It was a handful.

Two, it’s anecdotal regardless.

Three, at least you admit that you cried to the moderator.