Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:16     Subject: Re:I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Op - the underlying issue is the way you reacted to the situation. Others in this thread have mentioned it: you talked to the ref and that should've been enough. If you have a problem with the way these types of situations are handled in NVSL, be an adult and have a conversation with the league about it. You could have also mentioned it to the child's team after the meet. Don't go after the kid, his team, the results sheet (which I think is such a horrible action, it's laughable). I'm applaud Woodley's board for holding you accountable.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:14     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
It's time to let this go. I don't understand why you are so fixated on this, even if you disagree with letting this child compete. It's a summer swim event. It's not worth all this.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:14     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I read your statement. You’re a creep.


+1 harassing kids is not welcome at my pool. You and other creeps, please stay away.


Neither of these statements have any substance or engage substantively with what I've written.
- If I'm a creep, I'd like to know why?
- If I harassed kids, what part of the account shows me harassing a child?


You ruined a casual child's event and embarrassed the child. By continuing to make this an issue you are inviting an internet mob of the worst people possible on a place you claim to care about. I'd bet anything the pool you claim to care about has received threats because of how you chose to platform your message. Think about who solicited by who you gave interviews to. Think about what impact that has on the people, often teenagers who work there. Over a casual swim race.

A low level casual event is not an appropriate place to start gender policing. Forcing kids out of casual spaces results is making families of trans kids afraid and tells those kids there is no place in society for them. But not just trans kids, it also results in harassment of cis women and girls because they have short hair or big shoulders (which are both common things for swimmers). I won't have any part of it.

So yes, I view you as a creep, a person who has chosen to bring harm and harassment to people over a casual child's event. You should be ashamed of yourself.


I have no dog in this fight, but this poster sums it up nicely.


There is a place in society. Simply swim with the boys team. It’s casual, right?


These types of arguments are pathetic. The fact that it’s casual means that the competitive stakes are low. Meanwhile at a low stakes event, a child is harmed by an immature adult. The adult can leave the pool.


Then why time it or group the kids by sex? What kind of casual is this? Everyone doesn’t get to make up their own rules.


+1.

It's a stupid argument.


My 10yo would like to smoke the 8yr olds. No problem, it’s casual right?


Your 10 year old could. Lol. We were never asked for birth certificates to prove the kids are the ages they are claiming.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:13     Subject: Re:I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Mr Fernandez, do you want NVSL to conduct examinations to determine if these young children are male or female? Or how are they supposed to implement your standards? If parents say the kid is a boy or a girl, the pool takes their word for it. What is NVSL supposed to do?



Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:11     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
It was fine to report to a referee or other authorized official. It would have been fine to draft an email to the league if it was not resolved to your satisfaction. Your actions were not an appropriate response to the situation.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:08     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I read your statement. You’re a creep.


+1 harassing kids is not welcome at my pool. You and other creeps, please stay away.


Neither of these statements have any substance or engage substantively with what I've written.
- If I'm a creep, I'd like to know why?
- If I harassed kids, what part of the account shows me harassing a child?


You ruined a casual child's event and embarrassed the child. By continuing to make this an issue you are inviting an internet mob of the worst people possible on a place you claim to care about. I'd bet anything the pool you claim to care about has received threats because of how you chose to platform your message. Think about who solicited by who you gave interviews to. Think about what impact that has on the people, often teenagers who work there. Over a casual swim race.

A low level casual event is not an appropriate place to start gender policing. Forcing kids out of casual spaces results is making families of trans kids afraid and tells those kids there is no place in society for them. But not just trans kids, it also results in harassment of cis women and girls because they have short hair or big shoulders (which are both common things for swimmers). I won't have any part of it.

So yes, I view you as a creep, a person who has chosen to bring harm and harassment to people over a casual child's event. You should be ashamed of yourself.


I have no dog in this fight, but this poster sums it up nicely.


There is a place in society. Simply swim with the boys team. It’s casual, right?


These types of arguments are pathetic. The fact that it’s casual means that the competitive stakes are low. Meanwhile at a low stakes event, a child is harmed by an immature adult. The adult can leave the pool.


Then why time it or group the kids by sex? What kind of casual is this? Everyone doesn’t get to make up their own rules.


+1.

It's a stupid argument.


My 10yo would like to smoke the 8yr olds. No problem, it’s casual right?


If your 10 yo would like to smoke the 8 yo then you should really worry about that not other people’s kids.

The only person wanting to make up their own rules at this meet was this guy.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:06     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Anonymous wrote:Op, your call to action in your post is to contact NVSL, but what does NVSL have to do with this mini meet. It wasn’t an NVSL meet. While your local pool chose to use NVSL rules, if I chose to use NBA rules for my driveway basketball game it doesn’t make it a NBA game.


I’m wondering the same. What does the NVSL have to do with a mini-meet (whatever that is)? Is it a type of B meet? We combine events (boy/girl) during B meets.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:04     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I read your statement. You’re a creep.


+1 harassing kids is not welcome at my pool. You and other creeps, please stay away.


Neither of these statements have any substance or engage substantively with what I've written.
- If I'm a creep, I'd like to know why?
- If I harassed kids, what part of the account shows me harassing a child?


You ruined a casual child's event and embarrassed the child. By continuing to make this an issue you are inviting an internet mob of the worst people possible on a place you claim to care about. I'd bet anything the pool you claim to care about has received threats because of how you chose to platform your message. Think about who solicited by who you gave interviews to. Think about what impact that has on the people, often teenagers who work there. Over a casual swim race.

A low level casual event is not an appropriate place to start gender policing. Forcing kids out of casual spaces results is making families of trans kids afraid and tells those kids there is no place in society for them. But not just trans kids, it also results in harassment of cis women and girls because they have short hair or big shoulders (which are both common things for swimmers). I won't have any part of it.

So yes, I view you as a creep, a person who has chosen to bring harm and harassment to people over a casual child's event. You should be ashamed of yourself.


I have no dog in this fight, but this poster sums it up nicely.


There is a place in society. Simply swim with the boys team. It’s casual, right?


These types of arguments are pathetic. The fact that it’s casual means that the competitive stakes are low. Meanwhile at a low stakes event, a child is harmed by an immature adult. The adult can leave the pool.


Then why time it or group the kids by sex? What kind of casual is this? Everyone doesn’t get to make up their own rules.


+1.

It's a stupid argument.


My 10yo would like to smoke the 8yr olds. No problem, it’s casual right?
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:02     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I read your statement. You’re a creep.


+1 harassing kids is not welcome at my pool. You and other creeps, please stay away.


Neither of these statements have any substance or engage substantively with what I've written.
- If I'm a creep, I'd like to know why?
- If I harassed kids, what part of the account shows me harassing a child?


You ruined a casual child's event and embarrassed the child. By continuing to make this an issue you are inviting an internet mob of the worst people possible on a place you claim to care about. I'd bet anything the pool you claim to care about has received threats because of how you chose to platform your message. Think about who solicited by who you gave interviews to. Think about what impact that has on the people, often teenagers who work there. Over a casual swim race.

A low level casual event is not an appropriate place to start gender policing. Forcing kids out of casual spaces results is making families of trans kids afraid and tells those kids there is no place in society for them. But not just trans kids, it also results in harassment of cis women and girls because they have short hair or big shoulders (which are both common things for swimmers). I won't have any part of it.

So yes, I view you as a creep, a person who has chosen to bring harm and harassment to people over a casual child's event. You should be ashamed of yourself.


I have no dog in this fight, but this poster sums it up nicely.


There is a place in society. Simply swim with the boys team. It’s casual, right?


These types of arguments are pathetic. The fact that it’s casual means that the competitive stakes are low. Meanwhile at a low stakes event, a child is harmed by an immature adult. The adult can leave the pool.


Then why time it or group the kids by sex? What kind of casual is this? Everyone doesn’t get to make up their own rules.


+1.

It's a stupid argument.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:01     Subject: Re:I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Your own statements indicate you were scanning kids' private regions...Does that sound reasonable to you? What if the bulge you noticed ended up being something other than a male body part? What if the child had a growth in that region? Is the humiliation of the child worth it?

While I am against male in female sports even at the Woodley B team level, there is no way you can police this without causing more harm than good. You have caused more harm than good here.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 09:00     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I read your statement. You’re a creep.


+1 harassing kids is not welcome at my pool. You and other creeps, please stay away.


Neither of these statements have any substance or engage substantively with what I've written.
- If I'm a creep, I'd like to know why?
- If I harassed kids, what part of the account shows me harassing a child?


You ruined a casual child's event and embarrassed the child. By continuing to make this an issue you are inviting an internet mob of the worst people possible on a place you claim to care about. I'd bet anything the pool you claim to care about has received threats because of how you chose to platform your message. Think about who solicited by who you gave interviews to. Think about what impact that has on the people, often teenagers who work there. Over a casual swim race.

A low level casual event is not an appropriate place to start gender policing. Forcing kids out of casual spaces results is making families of trans kids afraid and tells those kids there is no place in society for them. But not just trans kids, it also results in harassment of cis women and girls because they have short hair or big shoulders (which are both common things for swimmers). I won't have any part of it.

So yes, I view you as a creep, a person who has chosen to bring harm and harassment to people over a casual child's event. You should be ashamed of yourself.


I have no dog in this fight, but this poster sums it up nicely.


There is a place in society. Simply swim with the boys team. It’s casual, right?


These types of arguments are pathetic. The fact that it’s casual means that the competitive stakes are low. Meanwhile at a low stakes event, a child is harmed by an immature adult. The adult can leave the pool.


Then why time it or group the kids by sex? What kind of casual is this? Everyone doesn’t get to make up their own rules.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 08:56     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to wonder if this is all some sort of attention grab. Who goes onto an anonymous forum to continue to push their narrative - and with a strange post title with “infamy”.

…at midnight.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 08:53     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Dude, you handled it poorly. Now you have to deal with the consequences. Well really your wife and kids have to which is sad for them.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 08:49     Subject: I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
Mr. Fernandez, you could have summed up your version of events with “overly self righteous” and left it at that. I appreciate the self awareness there. Because you were otherwise completely out of line.
Anonymous
Post 08/05/2025 08:29     Subject: Re:I am Luis Fernandez - of Woodley suspension (in)famy
I really disagree with how you acted at the mini meet. However Woodley has drastically overreacted. Is your wife still on the board? I’m confused by that part of the story. Was she part of the board meeting that suspended you? Did she know about the meeting?