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Anonymous wrote:In terms of particular programs at two of these colleges, Williams is notable for art history and Amherst is notable for neuroscience. Both offernational-level economics programs.

What does that mean? Amherst also seems to have very few permanent faculty and dedicated faculty to neuroscience.

With respect to the economics departments of Williams and Amherst, their faculty contribute research papers to economics journals at a rate greater than that of the faculty at some national universities over ten times their size.

They really don’t. The RePEc lists have multiple lists for this kind of thing, including ones that weight by the number of authors. Williams doesn’t crack the top 100 on any list. Amherst isn’t in the top 500.

Which is fine. They are LACs and they aren’t expected to. But let’s not overstate it.

Agree with the other poster though that Williams > Amherst in this field.

+1, if you’re that interested in economics and want to get into a top grad economics program, you shouldnt be afraid to work with the experts and attend Chicago, Princeton, Dartmouth etc. If you NEED a lac, Williams or Claremont Mckenna are the strongest bets.

You comment is nonsensical, more anti-SLAC bias from the peanut gallery.

Amherst: nothing. There's absolutely no reason to go there over WSP, or even Bowdoin and Middlebury. Ugly campus, mediocre outcomes, expensive tuition, overemphasis on DEI. Avoid at all costs.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

I think the other source is based on feeder school stats, which are of course relevant to this question. Can one get into Harvard Med from Pomona? Of course. Is it more likely than gaining admission to a top West Coast feeder? No, based on the numbers.

Exactly. It's a numbers game.

Not how stats works.

Are you saying the numbers associated with feeder schools have no statistical relevance?

In the way you’re analyzing them, yes. They’re significant, in that, students at top lacs, given their size, go to grad schools at associated higher rates and particularly dammed good ones, no matter the lac. I doubt, if we actually had the data, that there’d be anything other than pure variation for the differences between Williams and swarthmore for med school admission,

PP wrote that Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are highly correlated in terms of outcome. Pomona too, just on a somewhat different feeder track. It stands to reason the statistical differences are small.

Well then, we talles for no reason. I still would argue that there’s functionally no difference between these 4 and the difference in “feeder tracks” is just a condition of their locations.

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Anonymous wrote:The lack of humanities focus at these colleges is quite sad

I think these posters are overstating things. These are first of all liberal arts colleges (without graduate level programs) and people are magnifying the differences.

Every top SLAC is seeing a massive decline in humanities students, and now faculty.

Still blithering….

Anonymous wrote:The lack of humanities focus at these colleges is quite sad

Would you care to point out the slightest thread of evidence for this or are you just blithering?

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

I think the other source is based on feeder school stats, which are of course relevant to this question. Can one get into Harvard Med from Pomona? Of course. Is it more likely than gaining admission to a top West Coast feeder? No, based on the numbers.

Exactly. It's a numbers game.

Not how stats works.

Are you saying the numbers associated with feeder schools have no statistical relevance?

In the way you’re analyzing them, yes. They’re significant, in that, students at top lacs, given their size, go to grad schools at associated higher rates and particularly dammed good ones, no matter the lac. I doubt, if we actually had the data, that there’d be anything other than pure variation for the differences between Williams and swarthmore for med school admission,

PP wrote that Amherst, Williams, and Swarthmore are highly correlated in terms of outcome. Pomona too, just on a somewhat different feeder track. It stands to reason the statistical differences are small.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

Agreed! You aren’t limited on where you want to go, it happens to be that people who go across the country to other states, like staying there.

Exactly, I think some people don’t get that preferences exist. It’s like saying Amherst grads are going to struggle to go to duke med, just because their students aren’t going there at the same rates.

Are you suggesting that just because something is on the west coast, it isn’t automatically worse than an east coast choice! Sacrilege! How could that be true

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

I think the other source is based on feeder school stats, which are of course relevant to this question. Can one get into Harvard Med from Pomona? Of course. Is it more likely than gaining admission to a top West Coast feeder? No, based on the numbers.

Exactly. It's a numbers game.

Not how stats works.

Are you saying the numbers associated with feeder schools have no statistical relevance?

In the way you’re analyzing them, yes. They’re significant, in that, students at top lacs, given their size, go to grad schools at associated higher rates and particularly dammed good ones, no matter the lac. I doubt, if we actually had the data, that there’d be anything other than pure variation for the differences between Williams and swarthmore for med school admission,

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

I think the other source is based on feeder school stats, which are of course relevant to this question. Can one get into Harvard Med from Pomona? Of course. Is it more likely than gaining admission to a top West Coast feeder? No, based on the numbers.

You do understand that these preferences aren’t factored into admissions right? Like Harvard med doesn’t see Amherst versus Pomona and go! Oh we NEED that Amherst student. Nor does UCSF throw the Amherst app in the bin. 1/4 of a Pomona class is from California. They went to college in California for a reason, and California happens to also have one of the best medical schools in the nation. Same for many Amherst grads who want to be in New York or Boston over SF or Seattle.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

I think the other source is based on feeder school stats, which are of course relevant to this question. Can one get into Harvard Med from Pomona? Of course. Is it more likely than gaining admission to a top West Coast feeder? No, based on the numbers.

Exactly. It's a numbers game.

Not how stats works.

Are you saying the numbers associated with feeder schools have no statistical relevance?

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

I think the other source is based on feeder school stats, which are of course relevant to this question. Can one get into Harvard Med from Pomona? Of course. Is it more likely than gaining admission to a top West Coast feeder? No, based on the numbers.

Exactly. It's a numbers game.

Not how stats works.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

Agreed! You aren’t limited on where you want to go, it happens to be that people who go across the country to other states, like staying there.

Exactly, I think some people don’t get that preferences exist. It’s like saying Amherst grads are going to struggle to go to duke med, just because their students aren’t going there at the same rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

I think the other source is based on feeder school stats, which are of course relevant to this question. Can one get into Harvard Med from Pomona? Of course. Is it more likely than gaining admission to a top West Coast feeder? No, based on the numbers.

Exactly. It's a numbers game.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

Agreed! You aren’t limited on where you want to go, it happens to be that people who go across the country to other states, like staying there.

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Anonymous wrote:Amherst, Swarthmore, and Williams all top for pre-med.

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-medical-school

Note where they are sending their students. Those three send a number to Harvard and Penn. Pomona also strong, but sends to UCLA and UCSF. All Tier 1 med schools, but there is generally an East vs. West coast split as far as feeders.

Don’t really see the difference. Not like UCSF is a bad med school, it’s a Harvard Hopkins equivalent. Pomona is basically the same as swat for med. it has 115 versus 118 and swarthmore is slightly smaller. These lists change little by little every year. Next year, we’ll see Amherst below swat or completely different placements.

I think the point is about East versus West Coast feeders, which is a fair point to consider.

Not really. https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/birds-of-a-feather-at-harvard-med/. This is really just nonsensical east coast bias that spreads all over this forum. Going to Williams isn’t going to be a detriment to a UCSF hopeful, nor Pomona for a Harvard Med hopeful.

I think the other source is based on feeder school stats, which are of course relevant to this question. Can one get into Harvard Med from Pomona? Of course. Is it more likely than gaining admission to a top West Coast feeder? No, based on the numbers.