What about LACs?

ED Tulane

maybe not t50 but it would work

Anonymous wrote:DD will be a humanities or social science major. Currently undecided.

She is at a rigorous public school outside DMV. (We are ex-DMV so I am still on this site a lot hehe!)
DD's unweighted GPA is 3.9. She has lots of strong ECs and great recommendations (humanities, not STEM).

She's taken 8 APs
4 in social studies (history, econ, psychology)
2 in english
1 in science (APES)
1 in language
0 math (but she did take precalc and signed up for calc AB, just not AP level)

Will her low STEM APs and no Math AP hurt her?

Such would be a recipe for getting No from almost all T50 from our local public and privates. about 1/3 the high school at the public has higher rigor and T50 is really for top 20% there. The private sends about half or more T50 but this rigor is well below that benchmark. Ask the school for advice

Anonymous wrote:Top 50 is a big range. If the AP math classes are offered it will absolutely hurt her if she’s looking at top schools.

Out of 4,000 colleges, no it's not.

It's basically a euphemism for 26 - 50.

Still top 1% in context.

If HYPS or top 25, it is usually mentioned explicitly.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone keep pushing William & Mary? It’s a hard admit and they want to see math and science too. Geez.

With ED W&M is not that hard of an admit.

+1

Anonymous wrote:T10 or so, yes. Lower, no.

+1
My DC attends a T25 school and took stats instead of calculus - but all APs in other subjects, including foreign language. Humanities major.

Anonymous wrote:DD will be a humanities or social science major. Currently undecided.

She is at a rigorous public school outside DMV. (We are ex-DMV so I am still on this site a lot hehe!)
DD's unweighted GPA is 3.9. She has lots of strong ECs and great recommendations (humanities, not STEM).

She's taken 8 APs
4 in social studies (history, econ, psychology)
2 in english
1 in science (APES)
1 in language
0 math (but she did take precalc and signed up for calc AB, just not AP level)

Will her low STEM APs and no Math AP hurt her?

For a T50, regular Calculus is fine - as long as a Calculus class is taken. Don't skip it.

Anonymous wrote:DD will be a humanities or social science major. Currently undecided.

She is at a rigorous public school outside DMV. (We are ex-DMV so I am still on this site a lot hehe!)
DD's unweighted GPA is 3.9. She has lots of strong ECs and great recommendations (humanities, not STEM).

She's taken 8 APs
4 in social studies (history, econ, psychology)
2 in english
1 in science (APES)
1 in language
0 math (but she did take precalc and signed up for calc AB, just not AP level)

Will her low STEM APs and no Math AP hurt her?

It will depend on where your DD’s peers apply. First and foremost she will be compared to her peers. Most likely the counselor will not check the most rigorous course box so that will be strike one. If her peers are applying to top 50 schools, have the most rigorous box checked and by taking more APs a higher GPA your daughter will be at a disadvantage.

Yes top 25 are basically a crap shoot so you have a chance, most likely outcome would be in the 40-50 range so might be best to set appropriate expectations.



Good luck.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone keep pushing William & Mary? It’s a hard admit and they want to see math and science too. Geez.

Lots of data points on this site of them not requiring AP Calc and having a significant amount of TO admits. Especially in ED. Its a good option for OP's child.

They don’t require AP Calculus for sure (although in the past they definitely did). But this student’s transcript isn’t just missing AP Calculus. It’s missing virtually every top level math or science class. And they’re from OOS. You are giving bad advice. Amateur advice. This student is not getting into William & Mary with virtually no rigorous math and science classes and no test scores. Not happening.

W&M is not even a Top 50 University. The student has a shot. Why dissuade them from applying? Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone keep pushing William & Mary? It’s a hard admit and they want to see math and science too. Geez.

Lots of data points on this site of them not requiring AP Calc and having a significant amount of TO admits. Especially in ED. Its a good option for OP's child.

They don’t require AP Calculus for sure (although in the past they definitely did). But this student’s transcript isn’t just missing AP Calculus. It’s missing virtually every top level math or science class. And they’re from OOS. You are giving bad advice. Amateur advice. This student is not getting into William & Mary with virtually no rigorous math and science classes and no test scores. Not happening.

Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody has one. Including you. Yours is not any better. No need to feel defensive about your kid at W&M. It's a good school.

I don’t have kids at W&M. Mine went to UVA. I’m not being defensive at all. I just happen to know more than many of you about college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone keep pushing William & Mary? It’s a hard admit and they want to see math and science too. Geez.

Lots of data points on this site of them not requiring AP Calc and having a significant amount of TO admits. Especially in ED. Its a good option for OP's child.

They don’t require AP Calculus for sure (although in the past they definitely did). But this student’s transcript isn’t just missing AP Calculus. It’s missing virtually every top level math or science class. And they’re from OOS. You are giving bad advice. Amateur advice. This student is not getting into William & Mary with virtually no rigorous math and science classes and no test scores. Not happening.

Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody has one. Including you. Yours is not any better. No need to feel defensive about your kid at W&M. It's a good school.

This from W&M’s most recent catalog. Tell me if you think OP’s kid fits:

Most candidates have pursued as strong a college preparatory program as is available to them. Advanced Placement, International Baccalaureate, honors and accelerated courses are strongly weighted in the evaluation process. Candidates for admission typically have completed the following courses at the secondary level:

English: Four years (literature and strong training in writing)
Mathematics: Four years
Foreign Language (Ancient or Modern): At least four years of one foreign language recommended
History and Social Science: At least three years
Science (with laboratory): At least three years
Elective Courses: Advanced mathematics, history, natural science, English, music, art, drama and other humanities.

Yes.

My DS is a Humanities student. We were told by every college counselor we spoke to (one in HS and one private) that he absolutely needed AP Calc before graduating, along with AP Physics, Bio, Chem, World, US History, Euro, English lit & lang and the language he studied.

They want it all.

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone keep pushing William & Mary? It’s a hard admit and they want to see math and science too. Geez.

With ED W&M is not that hard of an admit.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does everyone keep pushing William & Mary? It’s a hard admit and they want to see math and science too. Geez.

Lots of data points on this site of them not requiring AP Calc and having a significant amount of TO admits. Especially in ED. Its a good option for OP's child.

They don’t require AP Calculus for sure (although in the past they definitely did). But this student’s transcript isn’t just missing AP Calculus. It’s missing virtually every top level math or science class. And they’re from OOS. You are giving bad advice. Amateur advice. This student is not getting into William & Mary with virtually no rigorous math and science classes and no test scores. Not happening.