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Anonymous wrote:Our school has way more kids apply to Michigan than Notre Dame. Both are a tough admit. Notre Dame admits have higher grades (really need almost an UW 4.0) and Michigan has higher test scores.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but the CDS shows that ND has higher scores than Michigan every single year. For 2024-25:

ND:
SAT: 1470/1540
ACT: 33/35

Michigan:
SAT: 1360/1530
ACT: 31/34

Pretty similar

If you consider the 91st percentile to be the same as the 98th, then yeah you’re right.

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Anonymous wrote:ND you are only competing with Catholics. And you are only going to school with Catholics. Some of my best friends are Catholic (and I have some good friends who went to ND). But no thanks. College is about meeting different people. Branching out.

I go to a Catholic church. There are people from all over the world there. Arabs, Filipinos, Africans, South Americans, etc. And often a foreign-born priest.

Fine. But they are still all Catholic. And I know there is a decent variety of beliefs within the current Catholic church. But how about meeting some Jews, Muslims, etc.? What are they? Chopped Liver?

Combined, Jews and Muslim are about 3 percent of the US population. The overwhelming majority of Americans identify either as Christian or not religious at all. ND is not dramatically different than the US population as a whole.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school has way more kids apply to Michigan than Notre Dame. Both are a tough admit. Notre Dame admits have higher grades (really need almost an UW 4.0) and Michigan has higher test scores.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but the CDS shows that ND has higher scores than Michigan every single year. For 2024-25:

ND:
SAT: 1470/1540
ACT: 33/35

Michigan:
SAT: 1360/1530
ACT: 31/34

Pretty similar

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Anonymous wrote:ND you are only competing with Catholics. And you are only going to school with Catholics. Some of my best friends are Catholic (and I have some good friends who went to ND). But no thanks. College is about meeting different people. Branching out.

I go to a Catholic church. There are people from all over the world there. Arabs, Filipinos, Africans, South Americans, etc. And often a foreign-born priest.

Yes...same with our parish. Our priest is actually a Palestinian.

Anonymous wrote:Our school has way more kids apply to Michigan than Notre Dame. Both are a tough admit. Notre Dame admits have higher grades (really need almost an UW 4.0) and Michigan has higher test scores.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but the CDS shows that ND has higher scores than Michigan every single year. For 2024-25:

ND:
SAT: 1470/1540
ACT: 33/35

Michigan:
SAT: 1360/1530
ACT: 31/34

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Anonymous wrote:ND you are only competing with Catholics. And you are only going to school with Catholics. Some of my best friends are Catholic (and I have some good friends who went to ND). But no thanks. College is about meeting different people. Branching out.

I go to a Catholic church. There are people from all over the world there. Arabs, Filipinos, Africans, South Americans, etc. And often a foreign-born priest.

Fine. But they are still all Catholic. And I know there is a decent variety of beliefs within the current Catholic church. But how about meeting some Jews, Muslims, etc.? What are they? Chopped Liver?

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan Ross undergraduate acceptance rate is 9%. Notes Dame business is 11%. Not a great strategy to apply to Michigan thinking it’s an easier admit.

+2 This year Ross had over 13,000 applicants for 500 spots. Up from around 11,000 the year before. Even allowing for yield (in 2024 they accepted 840 to yield 500), the acceptance rate was probably closer to 6% this year. ED was likely enacted for LSA yield, not Ross yield. Ross is really transparent with numbers.

You can't compare this year to next year. ED changes everything.

Anonymous wrote:Yes. Yet no one is seems to realize that this will change acceptance odds. Still tough but easier to get into, if you ED, than Notre Dame

This. I really wish ND had ED because both my kids have it as their first choice. REA is the only way to show commitment and interest because ED isn't an option with other schools. But that's about the extent of it.

Anonymous wrote:ND you are only competing with Catholics. And you are only going to school with Catholics. Some of my best friends are Catholic (and I have some good friends who went to ND). But no thanks. College is about meeting different people. Branching out.

I go to a Catholic church. There are people from all over the world there. Arabs, Filipinos, Africans, South Americans, etc. And often a foreign-born priest.

If you want to move to the Midwest and get a good education and don't my freezing for most months of the school year, either will work.

Our school has way more kids apply to Michigan than Notre Dame. Both are a tough admit. Notre Dame admits have higher grades (really need almost an UW 4.0) and Michigan has higher test scores.

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Notre Dame is a better school all around than Michigan, but it is so much more difficult to get into.

In a thread full of assinine posts, this one takes the cake. Notre Dame is a fabulous university with a heavy focus on undergraduate education. It's Mendoza College of Business is consistently ranked as one of the best undergrad business programs. Lots of DCUM posters like to claim that Notre Dame is homogenous, not diverse, too white, etc., etc. I'd wager that in a school with about 9,000 undergraduates who come from all over the USA and the world, the homogeneity isn't as bad as many DCUM posters like to believe.

Michigan is a fabulous university too, but it's cut from a much different cloth than Notre Dame. Michigan's reputation is stellar across the board, but it's more of the "Berkeley model," where the sheer breadth of excellence across UM's graduate and professional programs has resulted in the undergraduate program being regarded as top-flight as well. Michigan does well across the board in every ranking I've seen because both its undergraduate and graduate programs are so well respected.

To me, they are both excellent schools, and I believe a kid could get a great experience at ND/Mendoza or Michigan/Ross. But they are quite different schools, so you have to spend some time thinking about whether you want giant public with great football, or smaller Catholic with great football.

If I was applying OOS, it would really come down to what my kid was majoring in to decide the better school for he or she.

Ross will probably have fewer applicants in ED, making it negligibly easier.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan. Both great schools but I find ND to be so homogeneous, especially the pre-business types (which I assume he wants since he is applying to Ross at Michigan). I work with a lot of them and they can really be insufferable. The rest of the ND people I know tend to be better, but would still say Michigan.

But I'm sure the public school haters will come out of the woodwork on this...

Notre Dame is a better school all around than Michigan, but it is so much more difficult to get into.

Not really. These schools are ranked 18 and 21 by USNWR. A negligible difference.