Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 17:55     Subject: Re:Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:The trouble is it's named "donation" as if you are giving to the needy. The fact is, organ transfers are big business. Everyone makes a lot of money except for the poor donor, who may still be alive at the time.


+1 lol yes. I’d at least like my estate to be able to claim a tax deduction for the full amount of money involved in my “donation”
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 17:42     Subject: Re:Horrifying organ donation article
The trouble is it's named "donation" as if you are giving to the needy. The fact is, organ transfers are big business. Everyone makes a lot of money except for the poor donor, who may still be alive at the time.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 17:37     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:No one needs to panic and take their name off the list. Names on the list only apply to actual brain death. These stories are about circulatory death. And they have to get permission from your family. The solution is to Outlaw these people from the hospitals or stop circulatory death donations. Not to take your name off the list.

In the meantime, have a very clear Advanced Directive or tell your families now you have no interest in being an organ donor in the case of circulatory death


That’s only true if you have family to represent you, and you may not have that. What if you are in an accident while traveling across the country? What if your survivors can’t be reached?

I’d rather optimize for my survivors making an active choice on my behalf, and that means removing myself from the registry.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 16:21     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:No one needs to panic and take their name off the list. Names on the list only apply to actual brain death. These stories are about circulatory death. And they have to get permission from your family. The solution is to Outlaw these people from the hospitals or stop circulatory death donations. Not to take your name off the list.

In the meantime, have a very clear Advanced Directive or tell your families now you have no interest in being an organ donor in the case of circulatory death


Assuming you have family to represent your wishes. That was somewhat lucky for the homeless woman in the article.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 15:01     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ll still stay on the list.
There are horror stories in every facet of medicine. I’m good with my decision.


+1



+2 There are many people alive today due to organ donation. Do mistakes happen? Surely. But I'm not letting the fear of some outlier experience prevent someone who can use my organs from getting them.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 14:47     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
No one needs to panic and take their name off the list. Names on the list only apply to actual brain death. These stories are about circulatory death. And they have to get permission from your family. The solution is to Outlaw these people from the hospitals or stop circulatory death donations. Not to take your name off the list.

In the meantime, have a very clear Advanced Directive or tell your families now you have no interest in being an organ donor in the case of circulatory death
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 14:21     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:The article is INSANE-completely unacceptable level of error, by an order of magnitude. The level of incompetence and f-kry is going to set back donation by a generation.
-a physician


Please donate life. Be an organ donor.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 14:11     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm taking all of my wonderful organs with me to my grave.


That's certainly your right but why? Do you think you'll need them there? Why wouldn't you save a life if you could at not cost to yourself?


I’m not the PP but what this article shows is that there is clearly a cost to the donating individuals—their lives.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 14:10     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:If you are an organ donor, make sure you have an advanced directive with your specific wishes clearly laid out. It's a legal document that hospitals and healthcare workers must follow. Make sure you let a close relative know about your advanced directive, too.

And honestly, an advanced directive is wise for all people to have. It takes the guesswork away from your relatives on what your wishes are if you are incapacitated and unable to speak or advocate for yourself.


Yes, but in emergent situations where there isn’t easy access to an advanced directive, which is where a lot of organ donation comes from, that yes or no on the drivers license will control. And you are better off with it as a no.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 14:01     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is insane and truly terrifying - "H.H.S. said in 2020 that it would begin grading procurement organizations on how many transplants they arranged. The department has threatened to end its contracts with groups performing below average, starting next year."

Thanks to PP for the gift article.

So sad because organ donation is so important and can save so many lives.


This is why the “data driven” thing can really go wrong.


This metric for grading seems to have bad incentive effects.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 13:19     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
If you are an organ donor, make sure you have an advanced directive with your specific wishes clearly laid out. It's a legal document that hospitals and healthcare workers must follow. Make sure you let a close relative know about your advanced directive, too.

And honestly, an advanced directive is wise for all people to have. It takes the guesswork away from your relatives on what your wishes are if you are incapacitated and unable to speak or advocate for yourself.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 13:11     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:This is insane and truly terrifying - "H.H.S. said in 2020 that it would begin grading procurement organizations on how many transplants they arranged. The department has threatened to end its contracts with groups performing below average, starting next year."

Thanks to PP for the gift article.

So sad because organ donation is so important and can save so many lives.


This is why the “data driven” thing can really go wrong.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 13:10     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:I'm taking all of my wonderful organs with me to my grave.


That's certainly your right but why? Do you think you'll need them there? Why wouldn't you save a life if you could at not cost to yourself?
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 12:08     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The now right wing NYT published this to scare you. Please don't remove your names from the organ donation list, OR, update to say donate with catastrophic brain death only.

The programs have saved so many, that there are a few bad apples out there does unfortunately seem to be the norm in every profession, but the vast majority are not this.


How do you do this?


I don’t see how you could possibly do that effectively. In a pressured situation with the ghouls pushing, I suspect the bright yes/no line has to be a hard one.

Also I can’t take anyone seriously who is calling the NYT right-wing.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2025 08:57     Subject: Horrifying organ donation article
Anonymous wrote:The now right wing NYT published this to scare you. Please don't remove your names from the organ donation list, OR, update to say donate with catastrophic brain death only.

The programs have saved so many, that there are a few bad apples out there does unfortunately seem to be the norm in every profession, but the vast majority are not this.


How do you do this?