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Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.

^Yes.

School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).

In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.

True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.

Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.

Not the PP, but what did he say that was wrong? I dont see any Nurses running any Fortune 1000 companies do you?

Three hospitals in Philly are run by Penn nursing grads including the Penn Hospital, Children’s Hospital and the Philly Veteran’s hospital.

Also, UCLA and Hopkins Medical Center CEOs have nursing degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Penn nursing even prestigious? I only heard of Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, and Hopkins in conversation.

According to USNWR, 1) Emory 2) tie: Penn & Duke

Duke should not be ranked alongside Emory and Penn, since one cannot get a BSN at Duke after high school (you have to have a bachelors before starting the accelerated BSN program, if they even have the ASBN anymore).

Emory and Penn are BSN one can do right after high school. Based on ALL the nursing options opened to the highest degree, Penn gets the edge over Emory.

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Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.

^Yes.

School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).

In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.

True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.

Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.

Not the PP, but what did he say that was wrong? I dont see any Nurses running any Fortune 1000 companies do you?

DP. I am a physician who went to an ivy undergrad and a Top3 med school and T10 residency. At all of those hospital systems there are heads of nursing such as chief nursing officer or head of education, who typically have a phD in nursing or at least a masters. These places are top medical centers in the country. 70% of them did BSN at highly ranked program (ie Emory, Penn, Hopkins, NYU or Duke(accelerated BSN requires a bachelors in another field first so not an undergrad program). These women were the top of their game, truly impressive individuals, who had earned the respect of doctors and admins alike.

You will still be a nurse….subservient to a doctor.

Anonymous wrote:Yea, DCUM has to be the only website in the universe where posters seriously think that it matters professionally where you go to nursing school.

It DOES matter, for the very top options in the nursing field. These may be less than 5% of all nursing jobs but it matters for that group of jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, 80% of Penn nursing receives significant financial aid.

The acceptance rate is much higher for the nursing program at Penn too

Do you mean compared to the other 3 schools of Penn, CAS, SEAS and Wharton? It likely is, though I have never seen it published. Regardless the standards for admission are very different because nursing has completely separate classes. AP chem, phyiscs, calc and other highest-level rigor high school stem are not needed at all, just as they are not needed for GTown or UVA undergrad nursing. Nursing students do not take the same chem or bio or stats that the other three take (not sure why Wharton would take chem with seas and CAS but they can and some do: there are occasional premeds in wharton).
Penn nursing students take first year writing seminar with the students from all 4 undergrad schools, as well as 1-2 foreign language and 4-5 semester electives that can be certain non-stem courses open to all 4 undergrad schools. All of the rest, or 80% of the credits, are nursing only, half classroom and half clinicals which is predominantly shiftwork in different Penn clinics/hospitals. Nursing undergrad does not overlap with other schools and is a very different undergraduate experience. One cannot swap out of Penn nursing into the other schools. The science courses in nursing do not and can not count for premed, though that question gets asked on reddit all the time when high schoolers erroneously think it is some back door into Penn. Of course nursing has different admission standards: so does UVA nursing and all undergrad nursing programs! It is not a program for top STEM students who are aiming for med school, research based PhD, etc. It is not designed to prepare for those career options. That being said Penn nursing grads end up with a higher skillset and more management experience than 90% of undergrad BSN programs. It is not surprising they end up in top roles and a large percent go on to MSN, DNP, or even phD Nursing (needed for heads of academic programs at top hospitals/nursing schools around the country).
As is said repeatedly on DCUM regarding many careers, prestige has benefits: if one wants to be at the top of the nursing careers, or do medical consulting instead, Penn and other top-5 BSN programs open all the doors.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, 80% of Penn nursing receives significant financial aid.

The acceptance rate is much higher for the nursing program at Penn too

I heard it was 20%? Still pretty low.

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Anonymous wrote:The benefits of going to a “prestigious” school for nursing are similar to that of going to a prestigious school for anything else. .

Cmon. NO it is not….you are agreeing to join a profession where you will always be secondary to a Dr. Always. You will always be the servant. Always answering to a “commanding officer”.

My mother was a nurse and it is an amazing profession that is needed. But please, dont mix up where you are in your health field. A Nurse from Penn will likely work for a MD from Louisiana State…..and that is the unfortunate fact…

For the students attending these schools, it’s a stepping stone to something else. No one going to Penn for nursing to be a med surg nurse for the next 40 yrs.

Honest question: what is the outcome then? Stepping stone to what? Does Bain or McKinsey come knocking after you have a few years under your belt?

My friend from Penn nursing went to business school after a few years then did medical-related consulting.

Makes sense. That was what I was getting at.

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Anonymous wrote:The benefits of going to a “prestigious” school for nursing are similar to that of going to a prestigious school for anything else. .

Cmon. NO it is not….you are agreeing to join a profession where you will always be secondary to a Dr. Always. You will always be the servant. Always answering to a “commanding officer”.

My mother was a nurse and it is an amazing profession that is needed. But please, dont mix up where you are in your health field. A Nurse from Penn will likely work for a MD from Louisiana State…..and that is the unfortunate fact…

For the students attending these schools, it’s a stepping stone to something else. No one going to Penn for nursing to be a med surg nurse for the next 40 yrs.

Honest question: what is the outcome then? Stepping stone to what? Does Bain or McKinsey come knocking after you have a few years under your belt?

My friend from Penn nursing went to business school after a few years then did medical-related consulting.

Yea, DCUM has to be the only website in the universe where posters seriously think that it matters professionally where you go to nursing school.

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Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.

^Yes.

School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).

In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.

True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.

Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.

Not the PP, but what did he say that was wrong? I dont see any Nurses running any Fortune 1000 companies do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Never thought the word prestigious and Nursing degrees could be used in the same sentence.

^Yes.

School doesn't matter in professions with normally distributed salaries (nursing, civil engineering).

In professions with log normal distribution of salaries (law, business, econ), school is almost the only thing that does matter.

True for other normally distributed professions. But As a Civil Engineer, I can tell you that there would have been zero chance that I would have been able to run one of the largest Construction companies in the country without the “prestige” associated with the university I went to. It was not the deciding factor but it was a huge factor. I don think this is happening with Nurse jobs.

Engineers think they know everything, especially subjects they self admittedly know nothing about, as here.

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Anonymous wrote:The benefits of going to a “prestigious” school for nursing are similar to that of going to a prestigious school for anything else. .

Cmon. NO it is not….you are agreeing to join a profession where you will always be secondary to a Dr. Always. You will always be the servant. Always answering to a “commanding officer”.

My mother was a nurse and it is an amazing profession that is needed. But please, dont mix up where you are in your health field. A Nurse from Penn will likely work for a MD from Louisiana State…..and that is the unfortunate fact…

For the students attending these schools, it’s a stepping stone to something else. No one going to Penn for nursing to be a med surg nurse for the next 40 yrs.

Honest question: what is the outcome then? Stepping stone to what? Does Bain or McKinsey come knocking after you have a few years under your belt?

Stepping stone to a Dr Husband with better earning potential.

Your'e not far off. I went to Hopkins for nursing, roughly 20 years ago (when they still had an undergraduate nursing degree) and out of my group of 6 close friends, only one is still working in ANY capacity (me--and it's not in anything clinical). 3 of us married Hopkins doctors.

Anonymous wrote:Also, 80% of Penn nursing receives significant financial aid.

The acceptance rate is much higher for the nursing program at Penn too

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Anonymous wrote:The benefits of going to a “prestigious” school for nursing are similar to that of going to a prestigious school for anything else. .

Cmon. NO it is not….you are agreeing to join a profession where you will always be secondary to a Dr. Always. You will always be the servant. Always answering to a “commanding officer”.

My mother was a nurse and it is an amazing profession that is needed. But please, dont mix up where you are in your health field. A Nurse from Penn will likely work for a MD from Louisiana State…..and that is the unfortunate fact…

For the students attending these schools, it’s a stepping stone to something else. No one going to Penn for nursing to be a med surg nurse for the next 40 yrs.

Honest question: what is the outcome then? Stepping stone to what? Does Bain or McKinsey come knocking after you have a few years under your belt?

Stepping stone to a Dr Husband with better earning potential.