Anonymous
Post 07/02/2025 09:15     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am actually surprised all of these programs are surviving due to the NCAA/House litigation that is shrinking swim rosters, particularly men’s. I think the threshold for swimming in college is going to get exponentially harder, so it is getting harder to justify the sacrifices made to not get a slot and probably hurt your chances in regular college admissions bc you have no other activities. I have always been told Winter juniors cuts and good grades will get a kid a slot at a D1 school. I think you are now going to need faster times than that, which is really hard.

As a parent of a kid staring down this reality and who loves to be in the water, it is depressing. I feel bad they have spent so much time on the sport (and achieved what used to be the needed standards) and it will likely go no where now. If I had a younger kid I would stick with summer swim and HS swim and try to develop other interests.

And, please save the criticism. I know there are worse problems in the world and I already blame myself for giving in when they asked to do all this.


This is crazy to me. My kids play different club sports. Not once did we go in with an expectation of a NCAA scholarship. Sports, including swim, are about so much more than getting a D1 scholarship.


Actually your kid is more likely to get. d1 scholarship after the NCAA House litigation. It is walk-ons who have been eliminated and roster size has been cut. But I guess my point is when you start aging into the elite HS groups I am not sure it is worth doing if you are not swimming in college and that is so much harder now. I too was a parent who agreed to club swim when my kid was little bc they absolutely loved it and it gave them another social outlet and seemed like healthy non-contact exercise. But now we are at a crossroads where my kid can’t participate in a lot of school activities or hold a job during the school year bc practice is so intense. It seemed worth it when they were chasing college dreams but now I am questioning it. I am just trying to provide this perspective to parents thinking about getting on the swim train. The world is wide and big!


I think this is a very well-taken point. Even my much younger kid worries about what they will have to miss out on when it is time for NDGs. The choices are hard even if you're not yet thinking about college swim. The sport can give so much good - but it requires so much time, even at younger ages.


You don’t have to give it so much time though, especially in the younger ages. There are plenty of teams that allow young swimmers to have lives and play other sports. This is a choice. And one that leads to a lot of burn out.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2025 09:11     Subject: ASA
As for the money and House, who cares if there is more money if there are less spots. Look through teams and see who is being let in across the Power 4. The bulk are international students, not Americans. These international students are older, have international completion level experiences, and can help teams win in the NCAA, and give bragging rights to winning at the Olympics outside of team USA. Good luck fighting this tape.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2025 07:52     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am actually surprised all of these programs are surviving due to the NCAA/House litigation that is shrinking swim rosters, particularly men’s. I think the threshold for swimming in college is going to get exponentially harder, so it is getting harder to justify the sacrifices made to not get a slot and probably hurt your chances in regular college admissions bc you have no other activities. I have always been told Winter juniors cuts and good grades will get a kid a slot at a D1 school. I think you are now going to need faster times than that, which is really hard.

As a parent of a kid staring down this reality and who loves to be in the water, it is depressing. I feel bad they have spent so much time on the sport (and achieved what used to be the needed standards) and it will likely go no where now. If I had a younger kid I would stick with summer swim and HS swim and try to develop other interests.

And, please save the criticism. I know there are worse problems in the world and I already blame myself for giving in when they asked to do all this.


This is crazy to me. My kids play different club sports. Not once did we go in with an expectation of a NCAA scholarship. Sports, including swim, are about so much more than getting a D1 scholarship.


Actually your kid is more likely to get. d1 scholarship after the NCAA House litigation. It is walk-ons who have been eliminated and roster size has been cut. But I guess my point is when you start aging into the elite HS groups I am not sure it is worth doing if you are not swimming in college and that is so much harder now. I too was a parent who agreed to club swim when my kid was little bc they absolutely loved it and it gave them another social outlet and seemed like healthy non-contact exercise. But now we are at a crossroads where my kid can’t participate in a lot of school activities or hold a job during the school year bc practice is so intense. It seemed worth it when they were chasing college dreams but now I am questioning it. I am just trying to provide this perspective to parents thinking about getting on the swim train. The world is wide and big!


I think this is a very well-taken point. Even my much younger kid worries about what they will have to miss out on when it is time for NDGs. The choices are hard even if you're not yet thinking about college swim. The sport can give so much good - but it requires so much time, even at younger ages.
Anonymous
Post 07/02/2025 07:38     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am actually surprised all of these programs are surviving due to the NCAA/House litigation that is shrinking swim rosters, particularly men’s. I think the threshold for swimming in college is going to get exponentially harder, so it is getting harder to justify the sacrifices made to not get a slot and probably hurt your chances in regular college admissions bc you have no other activities. I have always been told Winter juniors cuts and good grades will get a kid a slot at a D1 school. I think you are now going to need faster times than that, which is really hard.

As a parent of a kid staring down this reality and who loves to be in the water, it is depressing. I feel bad they have spent so much time on the sport (and achieved what used to be the needed standards) and it will likely go no where now. If I had a younger kid I would stick with summer swim and HS swim and try to develop other interests.

And, please save the criticism. I know there are worse problems in the world and I already blame myself for giving in when they asked to do all this.


This is crazy to me. My kids play different club sports. Not once did we go in with an expectation of a NCAA scholarship. Sports, including swim, are about so much more than getting a D1 scholarship.


Actually your kid is more likely to get. d1 scholarship after the NCAA House litigation. It is walk-ons who have been eliminated and roster size has been cut. But I guess my point is when you start aging into the elite HS groups I am not sure it is worth doing if you are not swimming in college and that is so much harder now. I too was a parent who agreed to club swim when my kid was little bc they absolutely loved it and it gave them another social outlet and seemed like healthy non-contact exercise. But now we are at a crossroads where my kid can’t participate in a lot of school activities or hold a job during the school year bc practice is so intense. It seemed worth it when they were chasing college dreams but now I am questioning it. I am just trying to provide this perspective to parents thinking about getting on the swim train. The world is wide and big!
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 22:02     Subject: ASA
If what said above is true, that is not a site issue that is parenting. Guess in today’s day and age parents are not accountable for anything anymore. Easy to pass the blame on to someone else other than what you see in the mirror.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 20:59     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ASA sent more boys to swim at D1 schools than NCAP Prep has in the past five years


NCAP Prep has more Olympian’s than ASA has ever had. What is there number? That is right zero.


Prep also leads in eating disorders, suicide attempts and shoulder replacements.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 19:44     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:ASA sent more boys to swim at D1 schools than NCAP Prep has in the past five years


NCAP Prep has more Olympian’s than ASA has ever had. What is there number? That is right zero.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 15:41     Subject: ASA
ASA sent more boys to swim at D1 schools than NCAP Prep has in the past five years
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 14:02     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:15+ graduating seems incorrect (we are in NTG)


If you go to a meet like ISCA, PVS Champs or Metros on Meet Mobile you will get to that number if not more when you comb through the roster.


Not everyone who goes to ISCA or PVS Champs are NTG. ASA has three groups.


I think you are splitting hairs here. ASG is a strong group, but knowing some of the NTG / ASG breakdown the 15 or so seems right. Feel free to count for yourself.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 13:39     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:15+ graduating seems incorrect (we are in NTG)


If you go to a meet like ISCA, PVS Champs or Metros on Meet Mobile you will get to that number if not more when you comb through the roster.


Not everyone who goes to ISCA or PVS Champs are NTG. ASA has three groups.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 13:24     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:From ASA NTG, 15+ kids are graduating, and a number moving over to NCAP P, one to NCAP Burke, and at least 1 RMSC.

That’s about 70% of the group turning over



That is a very high number.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 13:22     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:15+ graduating seems incorrect (we are in NTG)


If you go to a meet like ISCA, PVS Champs or Metros on Meet Mobile you will get to that number if not more when you comb through the roster.
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 13:16     Subject: ASA
15+ graduating seems incorrect (we are in NTG)
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 13:13     Subject: ASA
From ASA NTG, 15+ kids are graduating, and a number moving over to NCAP P, one to NCAP Burke, and at least 1 RMSC.

That’s about 70% of the group turning over
Anonymous
Post 07/01/2025 12:35     Subject: ASA
Anonymous wrote:I am actually surprised all of these programs are surviving due to the NCAA/House litigation that is shrinking swim rosters, particularly men’s. I think the threshold for swimming in college is going to get exponentially harder, so it is getting harder to justify the sacrifices made to not get a slot and probably hurt your chances in regular college admissions bc you have no other activities. I have always been told Winter juniors cuts and good grades will get a kid a slot at a D1 school. I think you are now going to need faster times than that, which is really hard.

As a parent of a kid staring down this reality and who loves to be in the water, it is depressing. I feel bad they have spent so much time on the sport (and achieved what used to be the needed standards) and it will likely go no where now. If I had a younger kid I would stick with summer swim and HS swim and try to develop other interests.

And, please save the criticism. I know there are worse problems in the world and I already blame myself for giving in when they asked to do all this.


Not every parent of a kid in club swim is thinking about whether their child might swim in college one day.