Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately many schools, such as UCs, care about count if AP classes taken and care much less about the AP test score. This feeds rampant grade inflation.

Kids from schools that limit and/or do away with APs because the coursework is ‘too easy’ likely get a better education, but suffer in the AO eye test.

Everyone taking a AP class should be required to take the AP exam.

State U has their mission to educate their residents. UC is test blind, before they take AP test scores, they have to first reinstate test required. Even that is hopeless considering that test required policy will badly disadvantage underserved students in state.

Private schools like Yale can do whatever they want.

You are misinformed, UC schools take AP scores into account for admissions. Test blind does not cover AP scores.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like the SAT, the AP tests have been completely watered down and are a lot less meaningful than they used to be. This is why private schools have stopped bothering.

I am so tired of hearing of these striver kids from Enloe or TJ or wherever who are takin 20 APs including 4 as a freshmen then end up getting rejected by Ivies and ending up at meh state schools.

I personally think they do more harm than good. I understand they are unfortunately a necessary evil to show a student is taking the most rigorous courses, but they are a waste of time. I would rather my kid take the core courses at the university they are going to than placing into super advanced classes with upperclassmen. Unless the goal is to graduate early, being in advanced classes doesn't get you anywhere.

But I digress...

Agree. While I think AP classes can be useful for getting rid of the Gen Eds that they don't bother with in Europe, I am not that excited about my child graduating too early. I'd rather they take good courses with good professors.

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately many schools, such as UCs, care about count if AP classes taken and care much less about the AP test score. This feeds rampant grade inflation.

Kids from schools that limit and/or do away with APs because the coursework is ‘too easy’ likely get a better education, but suffer in the AO eye test.

Everyone taking a AP class should be required to take the AP exam.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately many schools, such as UCs, care about count if AP classes taken and care much less about the AP test score. This feeds rampant grade inflation.

Kids from schools that limit and/or do away with APs because the coursework is ‘too easy’ likely get a better education, but suffer in the AO eye test.

Everyone taking a AP class should be required to take the AP exam.

State U has their mission to educate their residents. UC is test blind, before they take AP test scores, they have to first reinstate test required. Even that is hopeless considering that test required policy will badly disadvantage underserved students in state.

Private schools like Yale can do whatever they want.

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately many schools, such as UCs, care about count if AP classes taken and care much less about the AP test score. This feeds rampant grade inflation.

Kids from schools that limit and/or do away with APs because the coursework is ‘too easy’ likely get a better education, but suffer in the AO eye test.

Everyone taking a AP class should be required to take the AP exam.

Anonymous wrote:Like the SAT, the AP tests have been completely watered down and are a lot less meaningful than they used to be. This is why private schools have stopped bothering.

I am so tired of hearing of these striver kids from Enloe or TJ or wherever who are takin 20 APs including 4 as a freshmen then end up getting rejected by Ivies and ending up at meh state schools.

I personally think they do more harm than good. I understand they are unfortunately a necessary evil to show a student is taking the most rigorous courses, but they are a waste of time. I would rather my kid take the core courses at the university they are going to than placing into super advanced classes with upperclassmen. Unless the goal is to graduate early, being in advanced classes doesn't get you anywhere.

But I digress...

Anonymous wrote:Colleges don't even require SAT, only a few of them do. Before moving on to other items, first ask why not all colleges are test required.

That has been argued over and over here. Test optional moms and test required moms never see eye to eye. And I see a lot of familiar arguments here in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Students take AP test so they can transfer the credits to colleges. But AP classes are really watered down now, it is often suggested to a student to take the entry level class at colleges again instead of credit transfer. The material covered in an AP class corresponds to about two weeks of an entry level college course. The AP classes do a lot more harm than good to students by creating a false illusion of mastery.

I agree with this. Getting a good grade in Chem 101 because you were prepared with a strong chem corse in high school is far better than failing Chem 201 Freshman year because someone prepped you to ace the AP EXAM.

Anonymous wrote:Students take AP test so they can transfer the credits to colleges. But AP classes are really watered down now, it is often suggested to a student to take the entry level class at colleges again instead of credit transfer. The material covered in an AP class corresponds to about two weeks of an entry level college course. The AP classes do a lot more harm than good to students by creating a false illusion of mastery.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like the SAT, the AP tests have been completely watered down and are a lot less meaningful than they used to be. This is why private schools have stopped bothering.

I am so tired of hearing of these striver kids from Enloe or TJ or wherever who are takin 20 APs including 4 as a freshmen then end up getting rejected by Ivies and ending up at meh state schools.

I personally think they do more harm than good. I understand they are unfortunately a necessary evil to show a student is taking the most rigorous courses, but they are a waste of time. I would rather my kid take the core courses at the university they are going to than placing into super advanced classes with upperclassmen. Unless the goal is to graduate early, being in advanced classes doesn't get you anywhere.

But I digress...

Many of these “striver” kids (as you call them) are brilliant students whose parents immigrants and don’t have enormous financial resources. There is no question they are more academically gifted than most private school kids. I am sure if they were students at your school, they would be top of the class there as well.

I know many of these kids and I am floored by their resilience, insights, knowledge, and sense of humor. I truly think your remarks are insulting and it breaks my heart that people disparage them so easily. You only see that they’re Asian or Indian and so you dismiss them. You have to respect your competition.