As a parent of kids who swim in A meets and used to go to B meets also when they were younger, that is the reason for a lot of the crazy in summer swim. Making A meets makes the entire experience different. It is just a different experience for kids who swim both meets. Not necessarily better, but different because those swimmers get 2x the meets and there is a different vibe at each type of meet. By the time the kids are older, the A meet swimmers tend not to go to the B meets except 1-2 times a season to swim IM.

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

+1…we’re a lower division NVSL team and my sons times are A-BB. He’s the top swimmer in his age group on his team but the highest he’s ranked NVSL wide in any event is in the 20s.

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Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.
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I don’t know what you’re talking about but MCSL A division has A/AA times all over the place.

Even in the bottom half you get some crazy fast kids. A top 50 USA 13-14 female breaststroker was in K last year along with a top 10 (!) USA 11-12 male, also breaststroke.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because kids don't get to pick their strokes for the A meet, plus there's IM. My daughter had to swim breast for years because no one else could. Her only chance for fly was the B meets.

+1. DS is the fastest back stroker in his NVSL division but never gets to swim it at A meets because he is also fast at fly and breast, and that’s what the team needs.

Yes, this is why it is sometimes hard for swimmers on the bubble for All-Stars to know which events would be their best shot. There are hosts of swimmers who haven’t even swum some events in A meets all summer (so their times are not in mynvsl), but will absolutely pick that event for divisionals. (And knowing who will swim IM is a crapshoot, at least in NVSL.) For anyone whose child is in this predicament, I highly recommend you cross reference club times in one of the databases too.

Don’t the coaches pick the lineup for divisionals? The swimmers don’t choose.

In many instances, the same 2-3 kids will be top of the ladder in all 5 events. Since they can each only swim 2 events at Divisionals, our team's policy is that the swimmer gets to decide which 2 events they'll swim. Some kids will base this on where they'll have the best shot making All Stars (but as others are pointing out, the fastest kids may not even swim those events until Divisionals, so the NVSL data is limited). Otherwise, Divisionals is based on the ladder, as it's not a team-based meet.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because kids don't get to pick their strokes for the A meet, plus there's IM. My daughter had to swim breast for years because no one else could. Her only chance for fly was the B meets.

+1. DS is the fastest back stroker in his NVSL division but never gets to swim it at A meets because he is also fast at fly and breast, and that’s what the team needs.

Yes, this is why it is sometimes hard for swimmers on the bubble for All-Stars to know which events would be their best shot. There are hosts of swimmers who haven’t even swum some events in A meets all summer (so their times are not in mynvsl), but will absolutely pick that event for divisionals. (And knowing who will swim IM is a crapshoot, at least in NVSL.) For anyone whose child is in this predicament, I highly recommend you cross reference club times in one of the databases too.

Don’t the coaches pick the lineup for divisionals? The swimmers don’t choose.

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

That's why the RMSC club swimmers strutting around summer league are so annoying. You can go look them up few of the RMSC swimmers are even A. The reason the Rays are so strong is that those swimmers don't get invited to better competitions.

https://swimstandards.com/meets/2025-rmsc-welcome-to-summer-meet-0518

2025 RMSC - Welcome to Summer - Meet SCM
Meet Date: May 18, 2025
Hosted by: Potomac Valley Swimming
Top Teams
Team Total Swimmers Total Events AAAA AAA AA A BB B
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 113 196 0 0 0 3 40 74
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 58 104 0 0 0 2 21 28
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 65 112 0 0 0 0 19 29
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 36 68 0 0 0 0 12 26
Rockville Montgomery SC 33 33 0 0 0 0 0 1

Is it necessary to shit on these swimmers? Or are you shitting on these swimmers beacuse you want your swimmers to shit on someone else's swimmer.

R

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

That's why the RMSC club swimmers strutting around summer league are so annoying. You can go look them up few of the RMSC swimmers are even A. The reason the Rays are so strong is that those swimmers don't get invited to better competitions.

https://swimstandards.com/meets/2025-rmsc-welcome-to-summer-meet-0518

2025 RMSC - Welcome to Summer - Meet SCM
Meet Date: May 18, 2025
Hosted by: Potomac Valley Swimming
Top Teams
Team Total Swimmers Total Events AAAA AAA AA A BB B
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 113 196 0 0 0 3 40 74
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 58 104 0 0 0 2 21 28
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 65 112 0 0 0 0 19 29
Rockville Montgomery Swim Club 36 68 0 0 0 0 12 26
Rockville Montgomery SC 33 33 0 0 0 0 0 1

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Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

Same on our team. B Meet IM races are fire every week. 🔥

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because kids don't get to pick their strokes for the A meet, plus there's IM. My daughter had to swim breast for years because no one else could. Her only chance for fly was the B meets.

+1. DS is the fastest back stroker in his NVSL division but never gets to swim it at A meets because he is also fast at fly and breast, and that’s what the team needs.

Yes, this is why it is sometimes hard for swimmers on the bubble for All-Stars to know which events would be their best shot. There are hosts of swimmers who haven’t even swum some events in A meets all summer (so their times are not in mynvsl), but will absolutely pick that event for divisionals. (And knowing who will swim IM is a crapshoot, at least in NVSL.) For anyone whose child is in this predicament, I highly recommend you cross reference club times in one of the databases too.

We are in a large MCSL pool.

You can swim 3 strokes plus IM in any given week. If you are chosen for the A meets for any of those strokes you swim it in the A meet. If you are not; you can sign up for the B meet.

So if my kid qualifies for free and fly in the A meet, regardless of how they place; they can only swim one more stroke (back or breast, not not free or fly again) plus IM in the B meet that week. If a swimmer swims 3 plus IM in the A meet; they can’t swim in the B meet.

In MCSL we have relays at A meets only, and we do IM a both A and B meets. I know this is different from other leagues.

I think if they let the swimmers who swam a stroke in the A meet also get to do it in the B meet then it would make the meet so much longer and the B meet swimmers won’t get a chance to feel proud of their swims if a super fast kid shows up, even if they aren’t scored. My one kid rarely makes A meets; but has been heat winner at a B meet and that makes them very proud and keeps them swimming.

Anonymous wrote:We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Ummmm…the top of NVSL is all AA-AAAA swimmers. My child is AA, and the highest she has been ranked is 3rd this year. On her same age relay alone, there is one AAAA, one AAA, my daughter (AA, cusp of AAA in one event), and the lone non-club swimmer whose times are BB. Just click on “Leaders” in mynvsl and select any age group/gender/event 9-18, and then look at the same swimmer in MySwimIO. Shoot, our team’s best 8 year old is a AAA swimmer in some events.

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Anonymous wrote:We are MCSL. You can swim in a B meet IF you are not swimming that event in an A meet. We love A meet swimmers who show up to B meets to cheer on the rest of their team trying very hard although it doesn't count for points. Our B meets are super fun for that reason.

Similar, from another MCSL team. You can swim in freestyle in a B meet if you swam it in an A meet but were not one of the top three finishers for our team. For other events, you cannot swim them in the B meet if you scored a point in the preceding A meet, so the only way you can swim the same events is if you finish last in your event. We often have kids who only swim A meets come and cheer at the B meets so ours are fun, too.

I'm glad we're not in NVSL. I think it's poor sportsmanship to allow a kid who scores points in an A meet event to swim that same event at a B meet.

You can't in NVSL either. But only top three swimmers score points in A meets, so 4th and 5th could race again in addition to 6th.

B Meets are not under NVSL governance so while most pools have the policy that you can not swim a stroke at a B meet if you placed 1-3 at the previous A meet it is simply up to coaches and team reps to enforce and sometimes there are reasons a kid will still swim a stroke they placed in at the previous A meet, for example some younger kids will still swim Breast or fly Monday night if they are working on something technique wise as kids can be very inconsistent at that age.

We do intraclub B-meets more often than not. They are more competitive than all but a few of the A-meets.

Keep in mind that most of the "fast" summer league swimmers are less than B swimmers in the club circuits.

It is annoying. Oh, but they just want to have fun, until they get beat at a B-meet, then they just fudge the times so the club swimmers can be in the A-meets, because the club swimmer coaches and parents run the league.

IMO PVS should make their meets at the same time as MCSL/NVSL so that swimmers have to choose.

Anonymous wrote:I guess my only gripe is you can’t get faster unless you race and the good swimmers get even more practice going fast! And we have a 2 swim limit per kid at B meets, so further distances the A swimmers from the b

This statement doesn't hold water, pardon the pun.

Regardless of what practice groups your kids are in, their practices will consist of some sprinting, turns, and starts. If meets were the only time they're practicing going fast, then something is amiss. Also, there's more variability in the 12U particular for younger swimmers and non year-round swimmers. What you see in week-to-week changes isn't going to dramatically differ whether they "race" 2 events per week or 4 events.

I guess my only gripe is you can’t get faster unless you race and the good swimmers get even more practice going fast! And we have a 2 swim limit per kid at B meets, so further distances the A swimmers from the b