Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

+1 And they certainly would not be been failing or receiving low grades. That poster sounds like a troll.

You can do poorly in the organic chemistry courses med schools require yet do well in nursing classes, as the former does not lend itself well to memorization. Anyone who has gone the accelerated MSN route as a plan B after medical school admissions didn't work out can confirm this. Anyone without a complex, anyway.

Yes, they're not the same classes. Based on my experience with people I knew in high school who became nurses, you don't have to be super smart to become a nurse. This is not meant to be insulting. Rather, people should not be discouraged.

Also, this is not to say that there aren't nurses and NPs who are super smart, just that it's not an unattainable goal like becoming a MD may seem to those who don't do very well in premed classes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

+1 And they certainly would not be been failing or receiving low grades. That poster sounds like a troll.

You can do poorly in the organic chemistry courses med schools require yet do well in nursing classes, as the former does not lend itself well to memorization. Anyone who has gone the accelerated MSN route as a plan B after medical school admissions didn't work out can confirm this. Anyone without a complex, anyway.

Yes, they're not the same classes. Based on my experience with people I knew in high school who became nurses, you don't have to be super smart to become a nurse. This is not meant to be insulting. Rather, people should not be discouraged.

Would you want to be treated by a nurse that got a D and F in basic science courses even in an era of grade inflation?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

+1 And they certainly would not be been failing or receiving low grades. That poster sounds like a troll.

You can do poorly in the organic chemistry courses med schools require yet do well in nursing classes, as the former does not lend itself well to memorization. Anyone who has gone the accelerated MSN route as a plan B after medical school admissions didn't work out can confirm this. Anyone without a complex, anyway.

Yes, they're not the same classes. Based on my experience with people I knew in high school who became nurses, you don't have to be super smart to become a nurse. This is not meant to be insulting. Rather, people should not be discouraged.

And if your super smart kid wants to be a nurse??

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

+1 And they certainly would not be been failing or receiving low grades. That poster sounds like a troll.

You can do poorly in the organic chemistry courses med schools require yet do well in nursing classes, as the former does not lend itself well to memorization. Anyone who has gone the accelerated MSN route as a plan B after medical school admissions didn't work out can confirm this. Anyone without a complex, anyway.

Yes, they're not the same classes. Based on my experience with people I knew in high school who became nurses, you don't have to be super smart to become a nurse. This is not meant to be insulting. Rather, people should not be discouraged.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

+1 And they certainly would not be been failing or receiving low grades. That poster sounds like a troll.

You can do poorly in the organic chemistry courses med schools require yet do well in nursing classes, as the former does not lend itself well to memorization. Anyone who has gone the accelerated MSN route as a plan B after medical school admissions didn't work out can confirm this. Anyone without a complex, anyway.

Anonymous wrote:I also know doctors who had Bs and Cs.

Yes so do I but they all went to undergrad 25-35 years ago. I had a good number of Bs and my overall 3.8 GPA was top 15% at my college, I went to an ivy for med school. The median grade in intro courses was often a C+ or a B- then, or 2.3-2.7 BCPM (stem) gpa if you scored average on every intro course. Students who stuck with it and were average science majors had around a 3.3 at graduation, now it is 3.7 or so as a median at graduation, at many schools higher. We have two different neighbors whose kids went to UGA and UTenn and got 3.9s as science majors and still cannot crack 500 on the MCAT after multiple attempts and 1-2 gap years. One struggled to get a 3.3 in a well known post-bacc designed to boost gpa. Undergraduate grade inflation even at non-elites is out of hand the past 10 yrs and it is much worse since covid. Bs and Cs for the BCPM gpa these days is well below average, MD will not happen. OP's kid got an F and a D.

I also know doctors who had Bs and Cs.

If she’s already an EMT, consider additional training to become a paramedic.

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

Physician who works with many PA and NP over 25 years. While true in part, it is also true that PA and NP typically do well enough in the intro science classes (or nursing classes). In other words, Bs and Cs are fine. Many had mostly As through undergrad based on many resumes I have reviewed. The OP's student failed intro chem and almost failed bio. That is not consistent with one who has the science skills to become a PA or NP.

Are you sure it wasn't just a case of how the material was taught or he hasn't quite figured out how he learns best? Do not throw it all out the window yet. I barely passed the sciences in high school, struggled in college but made it though with tutoring, and aced grad school sciences. It took time for me to figure out the best way to learn that type of material, hard work and some great tutors. If it truly is a case that no matter what, sciences are not something he will ever be able to handle, then nursing, PA, nurse practitioner are also unfortunately not in the cards. They are VERY science heavy as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

+1 And they certainly would not be been failing or receiving low grades. That poster sounds like a troll.

Anonymous wrote:I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

What a rude thing to say! There are exceptionally bright people in all fields.

I have known PAs and NPs who weren't exceptionally bright or good at Chem, Physics, or Math. Nursing students take different classes than pre-med students. After that, they can become NPs. PPs are making it seems like they have to be of the same caliber as medical students. I wouldn't give up, if that's what they want to do.

Anonymous wrote:Definitely think the accelerated BSN is a good path.

DC is considering both pre-med and pre-PA and the requirements are very, very similar. Those that we have known who have chosen PA or PT over MD school haven't done so b/c of the academics, but rather the time commitment, cost or other interest. Those aren't fall-back options.

I was weeded out of pre-med. It was OK. I didn't have the passion for the sciences and was just doing what I thought I was supposed to do. I ended up in bio-tech sales and that was a much better path.

100% Adaptability is a key element of success in any career path.

Definitely think the accelerated BSN is a good path.

DC is considering both pre-med and pre-PA and the requirements are very, very similar. Those that we have known who have chosen PA or PT over MD school haven't done so b/c of the academics, but rather the time commitment, cost or other interest. Those aren't fall-back options.

I was weeded out of pre-med. It was OK. I didn't have the passion for the sciences and was just doing what I thought I was supposed to do. I ended up in bio-tech sales and that was a much better path.